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Hi! This thread has gone everywhere from which instruments we loop with to how we deal with musical cliches and I've enjoyed following this thread. Not sure if I can add much to the many excellent comments -- here goes anyway: To answer the question: "Do I loop with the instrument on which I am most proficient?" I really don't know. I loop with a theremin and I've only been playing it for about 2 3/4 years. I am more experienced on pipe organs and synthesizers -- however I've become proficient on theremin. The theremin has become such a natural "fit" for me that I feel as though I've played it longer than I have. As far as pipe organ looping -- that would pretty much be a "midnite madness" kind of thing -- a fun thing to do in an empty church but something I probably couldn't get away with on Sunday mornings. If I ever attempt to loop a pipe organ, I'll share the results with you. Now, cliches are an interesting topic. There are a couple of ways that I avoid them on keyboards: The primary method is that I play in a key with which I am least comfortable. I will take a tune that is written in, say, F major and modulate to a key such A-flat minor. The other thing I do is "broken field running" -- that is, I play each note of a melody in different octaves (registers) -- this helps to dissect a melody and find "stuff" in it that isn't cliched. On theremin it is pretty easy to avoid cliches there -- I just kind of avoid campy 50s sci-fi style. (Although some would contend that it ALL sounds that way!) But, to avoid cliches one must know them. Cliches are to be reveled in, really -- kind of like hot fudge sundaes with whipped cream, nuts, and cherries on top. (Yes, the cherries are ESSENTIAL -- they are just as important as the triangular cuts and toothpicks in club sandwiches. Yes... club sandwiches must be cut into triangles in order to be TRUE club sandwiches -- and the toothpicks have to have those little frilly things on them or else the sandwich is compromised. ok ok -- forgive my off-topic rant :) ) Thus, I try not to "accidentally" fall into cliches. Rather, I decide wholeheartedly when I'm going to play a "chestnut", and I go at it with the kind of gusto that one reserves for consuming high-calorie food. The following track is my arrangement of Londonderry Aire: cliched... non-looped and unabashedly sentimental: http://kevinkissinger.com/downloads/music/LondonderryAire224.mp3 This post is, admittedly, shamelessly indulgent (I know). However, to summarize my opinions here: . Play cliches with volition and revel in them once in a while . Muscle memory can lead to cliches or otherwise thoughtless playing. Thus, to choose unfamiliar keys, tonalities, fingerings, and voicings helps to defeat mere reflex. . To loop precisely requires some level of proficiency -- the needed level depends on what one sets out to accomplish. One needs to acquire proficiency on one's instrument and one's looping equipment. Well, thanks for reading. It is almost 1 am and I am pretty slap-happy. I'd make me a club sandwich now except that I don't have any toothpicks. -- Kevin