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I was counting how many plug-ins I am using in my big livelooping setup: 13. That's all I want and all I need. Anything I want to do is possible with these few, but sharp, tools. A better way to find suitable plug-ins, than buying 100 to try out, is to log on to a couple fora and hear what people are recommending for your specific needs. Then get what you need and put your energy into becoming good at using them. -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) www.myspace.com/perboysen