Very OT: Zeitgeist, The Movie... WAS... Semi-OT: Int'l Travellers' Laptops Confiscated...

[Dave <prog.music.freak@gmail.com>]

Yeah, there is a lot of pre-movie graphics, etc. I guess they needed to fill time...but they stuff so much info in afterwards, ya wonder why they bothered.

Glad you liked it. Definitely opened my eyes to a few things. I knew a lot of the 9/11 stuff, and it's not that uncommon of knowledge (at least in my circles), but I think people here are resigned to the govt being too big and powerful for them to do anything. They keep us in fear, keep us broke, and keep stripping our rights...but there is no one organizing.

And do you mean to tell me that people in *Norway* believe in the 9/11 / US govt conspiracy also?

Has Michael Moore's "Fahrenheit 9/11" been played there (though much milder than is this film)?

The relevance to the section on religion is that US politicians invoke the name of G-d to help them get elected, then do nothing close to practicing wholesale Christianity once they have the chance, when they get into office, for thousands, if not millions, of people. They use it to consolidate voters for them. My understanding is that the discussion of personal religious beliefs by European candidates for office is basically unheard of. Perhaps that's why this portion doesn't come across?

Personally, I think the 'separation of church and state' in America has done more to foster its growth than it has to hold it in check.

On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 8:26 PM, mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com> wrote:

Dave,

i just wanted to say, that although I took it with a fairly hefty pinch of salt, I just downzoned and watched your suggested link to Zeitgeist.

THANK YOU!

And although one has to wade through quite a few minutes of long and drawn out arty farty nonsense, esspecially at the beginning, which was a shame, ... WOW... what a movie... Not that i had'nt heard most of it before, but for its well researched and (shock horror) brilliantly written and presented messages.
Take this off list if you prefer, but how was this movie made, and has it been aired? I may be able to get it shown on Norwegian TV, over here... if only as a highly editted form (three episode for example)...
I didnt quite see the relavance of the Religeon section, and the subject has been done to death on Discovery recently, but again, the conciseness and simplicity of how it was presented made an often muddy subject clear!

BUT THE 911 STUFF... OMG... The government funded and planned operation of 911, is a commonly held hypothesis over here, but there was so much in this depiction that i never heard of!!! A few unanswered question too however, can't this be spammed to the American voter somehow???

Thanks again, you saved me from a sofa doze evening...

M

On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 1:58 PM, Dave <prog.music.freak@gmail.com> wrote:

They're confiscating any laptops they feel like confiscating and copying the hard drive for later inspection, the way I heard it. And you may or may not get it back and they may or may not tell you when. It's just part of how they're stripping away our rights in their attempt to have a 'war on terror'.

Hitler did the same thing...burned down his own buildings, called it a terrorist attack, used it to consolidate the country's people against his enemy to further his agenda, stripped the people of their rights and started wars he said were pre-emptive. The more we let them get away with this kind of thing, the more they'll do it, and the more they do it, the more they'll know they can get away with. And now with an election coming up that they know they're likely to lose, they'll start doing all kinds of stuff to insure that their agenda has to be carried out even in their absence. In my opinion, that's why they took the terror alert up the other day...just something to scare people...just a little...but they'll take up another notch or two...before they invade Iran or whatever they feel they need to before they get out of office...

Wanna download something legal, and worthwhile?
http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/

Sure, it's conspiracy theory stuff, but that doesn't make it incorrect....

On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 7:47 AM, Warren Sirota <wsirota@wsdesigns.com> wrote:

Per, I disagree with you on the semiotics of jihad, but that path just
leads to political arguments better held elsewhere. there are endless
places on the web to "discuss" things like this.

In regards to this laptop inspection thing - i don't know if it's
related to this story, but there was a story circulating on the tech
podcasts a month or two ago about inspectors confiscating laptops with
allegedly pirated music files on them. and, since the customs
authorities (and, indeed, almost everyone) has no way to tell which
files might be pirated and which not, they were confiscating laptops
with *any* music on it. i don't know how true this is, but i would
think twice before taking my laptop into or out of the US.

Warren

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