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I use a Motu Ultralite. No problems. I used to have an Alesis Multimix. I don;t know if they use similar components, but I thought the Multimix was the worst sounding mixer ever. The pres sucked. I also dont use a guitar amp. The sound goes directly to full range pa speakers. Being a laptop guy, I run into skeptics all the time. I played a gig a few weeks ago using GR 3 out to 2 Mackie 450's. It was loud and awesome. The ability to temp sync everything instantly is amazing. I will never go back. On Aug 11, 2008, at 4:05 PM, <thetoyroom@charter.net> <thetoyroom@charter.net> wrote: > hi all, > hope i'm not hijacking this thread too much, but with all the > recent talk of laptops, software loopers and now guitar rig, my > head is in a tizzy... > > so here goes. > > if one decides to use a laptop and software to process and loop, > what is a viable solution for I/O if you want to use a guitar amp? > > I've used a DL4 and a RC-50 for looping, along with my pedalboard, > into various fender or fender clones (i like that sound). > > As soon as i've tried to run my guitar into the computer (iMac G5 > with Alesis IO26) into Ableton, and then back out to my guitar amp, > the sound always seems poor....stiff, noisy, lots of hiss. I've > always been so disappointed with the sound that i was never > motivated to get the looping/fx paradigm setup properly for my > playing. > > this is running my guitar directly into the hi-z input on my > alesis, bringing up the gain properly for Ableton, then turning > down the master in Ableton to match closely the same level as the > guitar plugged straight into the amp. I can do direct monitoring > on my i/o, so i do that so i get no latency on the direct > guitar...it goes straight to the amp, and then i do the loops in > Ableton. > > I realize i probably have an impedance issue here by running the > output of my soundcard into a front end of a guitar amp. But is > this the only issue? Do i need a proper DI for the signal going in > to the sound card, and then an impedance changer for the output? > > I have plenty of guitar amps, and don't really fancy the whole > 'modeller/full spectrum PA' type paradigm. I'm just struggling to > get a computer i/o to act like a stompbox pedalboard and rc-50 > looper. And every time i try i'm very disappointed with the > sound. As soon as i plug into my pedalboard and looper into the > amp, it seems to come back to life. > > since there has been much talk about the echo audiofire 2 (which > seems like an ideal small interface) i've gotten the bug to maybe > try again, but i know i have enough equipment right now to > troubleshoot the issue on my desktop system before purchasing a > laptop and portable i/o. > > any info is appreciated. > > rich > > > > > ---- Mark Smart <marksmartus@gmail.com> wrote: >> Hi. >> I just got a copy of Native Instruments' Guitar Rig over the weekend >> and I've been playing around with it running inside Ableton. WOW, so >> cool to be able to do that with low latency. >> >> I think I can replace my entire jazz pedalboard with the laptop. I >> figured out that the "Sub" part of the "Harmonic Synthesizer" pedal >> acts very much like the Danelectro Chili Dog that I've been using for >> so long. Since it is based on the Electro-Harmonix Micro Synth pedal, >> I suspect that Danelectro ripped off their Chili Dog circuit from the >> EH. I dunno what is going on in that circuit exactly. It's not a >> standard octave divider like the Boss OC-2, because the output >> doesn't >> sound like a square wave. Sounds nice in Guitar Rig if you EQ the >> treble off of it and run it through the bass amp module. >> >> Also, Guitar Rig's "Tweedman" amp sounds just like the "Fenderizer" >> pedal I built. Until now I haven't found any programs or other gear >> that can make these two sounds, so I think now I can dispense with >> the >> heavy pedalboards and use my Yamaha foot pedal to control the laptop. >> I'm pretty excited! >> >> I assume there are other Guitar Rig users on the list. I'd be >> interested in hearing suggestions. I have version 2.2. I also like >> the >> Looper module in Guitar Rig, but might not user it much if I am doing >> the looping with Ableton. >> >> -- >> Mark Smart >> http://cdbaby.com/cd/marksmart >> http://www.marksmart.net >> >