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Jeff,
Thanks for the observations on Sonar. What I meant about already having a
couple of DAWs is that I'm trying to decide if I should shell out $$ for
the full version of Live (i.e. purchase yet another DAW), or if the LE
version would be suitable (it's $200 less) for use as a looping host, and
I would continue to use Sonar/Protools for traditional audio production.
I'm just trying not to buy more software than I actually need. :)
BTW, I got Mobius working really well last night using Live as the host
and a Pok for a controller. It had been a long rough weekend of
hardware/software troubleshooting that culminated in a disk reformat and
reinstall of XP. Finally I was in looping heaven!
Next steps...re-investigate Bidule now that I have a computer and audio
interface that are working properly. And get MIDI in and out of the GR-20
so I can (hopefully) re-map the controller pedal of the GR-20 to Mobius'
volume/feedback.
-George
--- On Wed, 9/3/08, Jeff Larson <jeff.larson@sailpoint.com> wrote:
> From: Jeff Larson <jeff.larson@sailpoint.com>
> Subject: RE: Mobius & Live...why
> To: "sfmissionman@yahoo.com" <sfmissionman@yahoo.com>,
>"Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com"
><Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
> Date: Wednesday, September 3, 2008, 10:47 AM
> > I've already got ProTools and Sonar, so I don't
> think I need
> > another DAW.
>
> I don't know about ProTools but Sonar isn't a
> particularly good host
> for looping plugins (or at least wasn't as of versionn
> 5). Most DAWs
> are designed around the tape deck metaphor where you have
> to start and
> stop the transport and "arm" tracks for recording
> in order to get
> things flowing. Sonar also had this goofy "audio
> engine" you had to
> turn on and off.
>
> The worst thing about Sonar though is that you couldn't
> record the
> output of an effect plugin into a track in real time. The
> thinking is
> that effects are always applied at dynamically to a dry
> signal so you
> can change them later. You can hear the effect as the
> track is
> recording, but what is recorded is the dry signal. Since
> Mobius has
> to be an effect in Sonar, this means you can't have
> Sonar record a
> Mobius performance.
>
> The nice thing about Live is that was designed for live
> performance
> rather offline editing. I found it easier to use as a
> virtual "rack"
> where you can combine plugin chains without worrying about
> recording.
>
> > Since I first posted this message, I had another
> thought about Live
> > and Mobius. If you're using a MIDI foot
> controller, you can record
> > both your linear audio as well as MIDI input, and as
> such can play
> > back a looping performance by routing the real time
> linear audio as
> > well as the MIDI commands back in to Mobius. That
> would enable you to
> > do things like fix minor mistakes in the audio, or
> better adjust
> > things like feedback and volume in the MIDI data
> stream, and then
> > re-render the looping performance.
> >
> > I wonder if anyone is actually doing this?
>
> I tried this once but due to the slight quantization of
> MIDI events
> I never got back exactly what I performed the first time.
> But it may
> be close enough depending on what you want. This is the
> way you
> would have to work in Sonar because it can only record the
> dry signal.
>
> Jeff