Re: ( Mobius rhythmic accuracy) was: now That First Loop

["L.A. Angulo" <labaloops@yahoo.com>]

Hi Per,
Let me explain better,as soon as i hit the second record to close the loop 
the loop playback starts really fast, almost like skipping the first 
beat...make sense?
Hmmm i dont understand what you are saying about my mail client because i 
see it on the list and everybody seems to be getting them.I did see 
yesterday that when you mailed me it was off list so when i replied it was 
sent to you only so you might want to check your mail client.
Let me know
cheers
Luis



www.myspace.com/luisangulocom


--- On Thu, 9/4/08, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:

> From: Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: ( Mobius rhythmic accuracy) was: now That First Loop
> To: "loopers-delight" <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
> Date: Thursday, September 4, 2008, 1:47 AM
> Hi,
> 
> I guess there must be some part of information missing here
> because
> what you are describing is simply not possible! As I
> understand it you
> are doing three things:
> 
> 1. Kick Record.
> 2. Play your instrument (which is now being recoded by the
> looper).
> 3. Kick Record.
> 
> Now, you're saying that after this process the loop
> starts playing
> back "faster or ahead of time". But no looper in
> the world can read
> your thoughts an know in advance when you will kick Record
> the second
> time to close the loop, set the loop point and start
> playback of the
> recorded loop! ;-))
> 
> Please fill us in with the missing pieces so we can sort
> this out!
> 
> (BTW, you still have your email client set to your own
> address in the
> "Reply to" field. This is why your list posts are
> sent back to you
> privately instead of to the list)
> 
> Per
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 10:15 AM, L.A. Angulo
> <labaloops@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Now that i finally got the driver issue with mobius
> out if the way i am having a similar problem; with the MME
> drivers mobius had latency when i triggered it with the
> fcb1010,now that is working with ASIO(which by the way it
> was a matter of assigning correcly the ports of my RME
> fireface)it responds nice and fast but when i record a loop
> and end it,playback starts faster or ahead of time which can
> throw me off,same when i do overdubing!
> > anybody having this problem?compared to the EDP is
> there an difference in accuracy response? would i just have
> to adapt to this and live with it,or is it a setup problem?
> > Luis
> >
> >
> >
> > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom
> >
> >
> > --- On Thu, 9/4/08, andy butler
> <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> >> From: andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk>
> >> Subject: Re: New Member - was Buying Advice, now
> That First Loop
> >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> >> Date: Thursday, September 4, 2008, 12:53 AM
> >> Or alternatively:-
> >>
> >> The most accurate and reliable  method to create
> that first
> >> loop is
> >> to tap at the beginning of the loop, and then tap
> at the
> >> end.
> >> By using the same method to start the loop as to
> end it,
> >> there's
> >> a slight (but significant) advantage in that any
> timing
> >> discrepancies
> >> between the tapping and the playing will cancel
> out.
> >> (e.g. if you tap slighty early both times, you
> still get an
> >> accurate loop length).
> >> Any method that uses 2 different actions to start
> and end
> >> the loop is likely
> >> to mess with accurate timing.
> >>
> >> While it's often recommended to play a rhythm
> part
> >> through a couple of times
> >> before recording it this does not give any
> advantage, you
> >> still have to
> >> learn to co-ordinate yourself ,you don't learn
> any of
> >> the looping
> >> skills you'd need for more complex
> arrangements and it
> >> doesn't
> >> sound/look as cool.
> >>
> >> The tap-play-tap method may seem a bit hard at
> first, but
> >> it's actually not
> >> at all hard to learn, I've seen people
> "get
> >> it" in about 5 mins of trying.
> >> (just practise a short rhythm loop till it works).
> >>
> >> Respect to Dave for describing a couple of other
> >> techniques.
> >>
> >> I'd also say that it's better to turn off
> the
> >> pre-set tempo on the looper,
> >> and just tap in the loop.
> >> (unless you need to sync up for some reason}
> >>
> >> andy butler
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Dave Gallaher wrote:
> >> > I assume the Boss Loop Station you have is
> like mine,
> >> and therefore has the
> >> > Autostart setting available.  This will
> reduce 50% of
> >> your loop error
> >> > potential right off the bat if you are
> starting from
> >> silence.  Select
> >> > Autostart; set the level to the point where a
> >> well-played note (but not an
> >> > accidental click or handling noise) will
> begin the
> >> loop.  Then all you have
> >> > to do is end on time, and it's much
> easier to hit
> >> the '1' following several
> >> > measures of playing than it is to start dead
> on.
> >> >
> >> > Another technique:  if you are going to lay a
> rhythm
> >> guitar pattern down as
> >> > the bed, play it a couple times before
> hitting the
> >> loop.  If you have any
> >> > discrepancy in your tempo between your
> starting point
> >> and the end of the
> >> > phrase, you can usually be rid of it after a
> go-round
> >> or two.  Using
> >> > autostart, simply play the guitar pattern,
> stop for a
> >> four beat rest while
> >> > stepping on the record pedal, then begin on
> >> '1'.
> >> >
> >> > I have no experience recording with included
> clicks
> >> and drum rhythms, so
> >> > this advice may be useless to you if this is
> your
> >> mode.
> >> >
> >> > dave
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Subject: RE: New Member - Buying Advice and
> Opinions
> >> Sought
> >> >
> >> > Thank you all for your advice.  I really
> appreciated
> >> it.
> >> >
> >> > I had it down to the following three --
> >> >
> >> > A) Boomerang with 2-channel Mixer -- not
> feasible, as
> >> the footprint and
> >> > extra setup for a mixer would detract from
> what I need
> >> it to do in the way I
> >> > need it to work (get up on stage, set up, go
> quickly)
> >> >
> >> > B) Digitech JamMan - looked great, but
> realistically
> >> when live could only
> >> > record one phrase at a time (otherwise would
> have to
> >> stop and save)
> >> >
> >> > C)  Boss Loop Station - expensive and
> finicky, with a
> >> large number of
> >> > complaints registered online, and even a
> known
> >> "glitch" that bothers some
> >> > people regarding a playback gap.
> >> >
> >> > In the end, I went with the Boss Loop
> Station, due
> >> mostly to the links
> >> > provided by members here, and their comments.
>  In the
> >> scant hour I've spent
> >> > messing with it, I've already been able
> to do two
> >> tunes that I couldn't do
> >> > solo (tough to do a 3-part harmony/bodhran
> song by
> >> yourself -- without a
> >> > looping station, that is).
> >> >
> >> > Now to practice!
> >> >
> >> > (yegods, laying down that first track so it
> repeats
> >> nicely, in a timely
> >> > regular fashion, is an ART!  ... It took me
> awhile to
> >> figure out that the
> >> > tempo light switched red on the FIRST beat
> ... My
> >> brain keeps insisting that
> >> > red must be on the FOURTH beat for some
> reason?!)
> >> >
> >> > If anybody wishes to pass me the
> links/references on
> >> "looping for newbies --
> >> > how to lay an initial decent rhythm track in
> under 20
> >> minutes!" then feel
> >> > free to e-mail me privately (so as not to
> spam the
> >> list with my newbie
> >> > stuff).
> >> >
> >> > Thank you all again for the advice.  I
> appreciate it.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >