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A slip of the pen in 1770 could only do so much damage. 21st C technology's power tools make it so easy to saw off limbs inadvertently. Bill's apology is heartfelt and I hope puts the matter to rest, but then I'm not Jeff. Jeff, I just wanted to echo some things others have said about Mobius. It is an incredible source of daily joy for me, integrated into me studio as an INSTRUMENT, almost as melded with my brain as any guitar ever was... and compared to other users, I've clearly barely scratched the surface. Beyond more praise-piling, I want to mention something that doesn't get talked about much here - how looping devices in general, and for me Mobius in particular, are great tools for learning. Want to hear immediately how F# Enigmatic sounds over C#-7? Exercise your syncopation muscles in 5/8? I don't know if anyone else does this regularly, but I do, and it has been a considerable boon to my playing ability. Jeff, many thanks, again. Hal Dean -----Original Message----- From: Tilmann Dehnhard [mailto:tilmann@dehnhard.com] Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 7:02 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: AW: Looperlative LP1 for sale in europe all i can say is: thanx jeff. i use mobius frequently and i am very happy with it. please stay on the list. tilmann -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Jeff Larson [mailto:jeff.larson@sailpoint.com] Gesendet: Donnerstag, 25. September 2008 20:36 An: billwalker@baymoon.com; Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: RE: Looperlative LP1 for sale in europe > Bob has a lot of integrity, and is not about to directly rip off > some else's design like Mobius did So, now I'm a rip off artist with no integrity. Thanks Bill. In other news, a standalone version of Mac Mobius has been ripped off and is now available for download from zonemobius.com. Please post questions to the Mobius Yahoo group, I don't want to offend anyone on LD. Jeff