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I just gave away a computer I inherited from my father to a local Goth/Industrial musician on the proviso that he use it for making music and it suddenly occured to me: A lot of us have old computers laying around that would be fine for doing some live or even canned looping. Personally, I have an old 1.3 ghz P4 sitting in my house that is all taken apart (with the best intentions of rebuilding it and upgrading until I ended up buying a newer one). I was thinking it would be a very cool thing is anyone has this stuff lying around and have Matthias Grob or Andrew Ostler or Jeff Larson or whoever has invented some looping softare to donate a looping software package to said old used computers and give them away to young aspiring live loopers who might not have the money to purchase such a thing. In the year 1998, two good friends of mine gifted me a Mac computer and basically baby sat me into understanding how to use it to make music just because they had the faith in me that I would do something really creative with it. Now, ten years later I make probably 1/3 to 1/2 of my income because I've really learned how to do it on both platforms. I never could have afforded to do it at the time and now I'm teaching young musicians how to make music with a computer. A small miracle. Does anyone have such a computer laying around? I imagine it would need to be at least a P4 or equivalent processor of a 1ghz or more or the equivalent Mac computer. It's just a thought, but I thought it might be a cool thing to do ritually at the Y2K festival each year. Towards that end, read my next email to the list. Cheers, yours in creativity and fostering community, Rick Walker