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David Hayes wrote: > > Really? Nobody's got advice for sync between an EDP and Live or Logic? I guess that most people running Live/Logic would use software looping.... and it's quite a lot of reading to find out what your question is ;-) I'll try to see if I can help any, but I don't know Live or Logic. > > > On Oct 13, 2008, at 4:22 AM, David Hayes wrote: > >> >> >> (sorry for the repost... first dissapeared and forgot to change >> subject when recycling another email for the second...) >> >> *Okay, the only way I can get this to work is:* >> >> If I set the EDP to Timing-->*Sync = In * >> 8th/Cycle = 8 >> Quantize = CYC >> >> Midi --> ControlSource = OFF (If I >> do not do this, keyboard presses on the Ozonic intended to be musical >> mess with the loop timing in weird ways, display flashes odd things.) >> >> Then I set Live (haven't gotten Logic to work yet) Midi Sync >> preferences / Midi Ports to Sync for Ozonic External (the exchoplex) >> but I turn both Track and Remote off in that same row (for good >> measure). I also make sure Ozonic External is not set up as a control >> surface in the section above. >> >> *This allows me to press play in Live so I see it's sending out a midi >> sync signal, then start a part or two in Stylus RMX, then I can record >> a fairly tight loop of what's playing into the exchoplex, then stop >> the RMX plugin so it doesn't echo. * >> * >> * >> *After that I can proceed with looping as normal, changing tracks and >> sounds in Live and overdubbing.* >> >> /PROBLEMS / QUESTIONS:/ >> >> *1.* Though there is some quantization going on to keep things in >> sync, I don't think it's always starting at the beginning of the ? Quantise isn't needed for sync >> phrase and I'm not sure how to set that... I tried 8th/chcle=8 and the >> 1/8 note option in the Live pull down menu, as well as the 1 Bar >> option. I'm guessing that's, like, an 8th note in 120 bpm that I'm >> seeing as a the single steady flash of Midi Sync out in Live... (took >> me a while to realize you have to hit play in live, not just have the >> plug in sounding)... are there other options besides this one constant >> signal tied to a fixed BPM that might suit working with the EDP? depends on the musical result you intend, but I would always use the EDP as master for timing >> >> *2. *It's interesting that it records a small bit of empty time when >> pressing play in Live but not the record button on the echoplex... >> seems to fill in the smallest quantized block of time??? Could this be >> related to the start point of the loop not being where I anticipate it >> should have been? try Quantise=Off, if that fixes it, then the answer is "yes" >> >> *3.* Sometimes if I try to overdub a new drum part it will sound in >> sync with what's already been recorded, but not nearly always. it's possible to be in Sync but not be in time, sync just means that the timing doesn't drift over many repeats. >> It's >> way hit or miss even if I haven't stopped the EDP or Live and I can't >> figure out why that might be, though I bet if I focus systematically >> I'll figure it out... point is though, I'd like to know how to lock it >> so I don't have to have some weird work flow to keep it working in >> true sync. It's not perfect by any means... echo effect over time, >> sometimes start a new RMX drum part and it's just off with what you >> recorded of the first two, etc. But sometimes it works well enough... >> weird. >> >> *5.* I played with Sync = OUT on the EDP and In in Live... I forget >> what happened now, but a) does anybody think that's worth playing with >> more? Would there be some advantage I'm not thinking of? I figure if >> the EDP is in sink with the Live, then arpeggiations and delays >> applied should be in sync too, but that's the kind of thing I'm asking >> about. B) is there a way to get the best of both worlds... some sort >> of in AND out method/settings I might consider? So I could, say, start >> with a looped sound on the EDP and have that set the BPM in Live or >> some such? You'd have to ask a "Live" expert if it would sync to external midi. Really it depends on your musical style, the EDP is well suited to getting the tempo from the player, Live is suited to "mechanical" timing, so it's no surprise that's it takes a bit of effort to make them work together. >> >> *6.* The EDP has a Sync = OU5 option that is not in the manual. What >> is that used for? sends midi Stop/Start commands >> >> >> *MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH THANKS FOR ANY THOUGHT, SUGGESTIONS, >> TROUBLESHOOTING QUESTIONS, ETC. * you're very welcome (just in case this helps at all) andy butler ps maybe try one short question at a time if you want a quick answer from the list ;-) >> >> Happy looping. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sep 27, 2008, at 2:26 PM, David Hayes wrote: >>> >>> Thank you... firstly glad to know it works... wasted time on it 10 >>> years ago, didn't want to repeat. >>> >>> Do you know how to set it up? EDP timing synch=IN (that from memory, >>> it's not in front of me) Anything else for the EDP? How do I set up >>> Logic or Live to send the signal out... I kind of already did try >>> this and nothing happens, so obviously I'm missing something(s). >>> >>> Much thanks! >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sep 27, 2008, at 12:50 PM, Claude Voit wrote: >>> >>>> yes it syncs well if the daw spits out decent tight midiclock >>>> why dont you try nobody has your own exact setup and way of looping >>>> anyway >>>> >>>> Claude >>>> >>>> >>>> David Hayes a écrit : >>>>> Perhaps my previous post was too wordy... >>>>> Does anyone out there use the EDP synched with their >>>>> computer/DAW/drum-software midi clock? Does synch it work well? >>>>> (Record functions as expected, stays in synch over time etc?) >>>>> The old Oberheim's didn't but I have a new one now. However I >>>>> haven't tried this in 8-10 years and years so I have no idea how to >>>>> set it up properly---what settings need to be made in Logic or >>>>> Ableton Live to use the Specrasonics Stylus RMX plug in for drums >>>>> (mainly) and yet have the EDP's record/overdub/nextloop functions >>>>> work as I normally expect them to. >>>>> Much thanks for any advice on the best way to use Logic (or >>>>> Mainstage) or Ableton for the routing, effects and drums for use >>>>> with live EDP looping! >>>> >>> >