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Per wrote: "Obviously this happened to me because he played so fast that it was physically impossible to hear each note - so I was sort of forced into listening to the flow of the notes instead. A great revelation it was! :-) Some years later I read about John Coltrane having this experience when hearing the harp being played and smiled to myself as I was reading... It's really a universal phenomenon." Exactly! That's what I call the 'smear effect' to all of my drum and percussion students. If you play a buzz roll fast enough (even with one hand) you cannot here the individual notes and yet you can use that 'smear' as if it was one note. This is the total secret to playing brushes effectively and I'm blown away that no books on the subject ever mention this. I have a ten minute exercise that teaches people how to go from making sharp transient sounds with the mouth (like a super rapid tonque flip to make a D or T sound without the phoneme attached to the end of the said letter) where you sing the swing rhtyhm, then you make the envelope get slightly longer adding a little bit of the AHH sound to it as you keep singing it in time, Finally you start to substitute the D sound for a G sound and then a soft G sound and finally a Vowel beginning to the word AHHHHHHHH. This effectively makes the sounds envelope longer and longer with less and less attack (analagous to going from sticks to mallets to brushes) while keeping your sounds the same. It's amazing, I avoided brushes for years because I could never figure out where , in the middle of SHHHHHHHHHH the actual quarter note was. This way teaches it quickly as you make the envelope exist equally on both sides of the intended note. ************ Also, along these lines, Bill, wonderful fretless electric bassist, Daniel Lewis and I were discussing how rapidly but shallow glissed vibratos on a fretless instrument allowed one to imagine the intended melodic goal of the instrument. Daniel told me that Mick Karn adopted this rapid vibrato technique because he was insecure about hitting the pitches accurately. I laughed out loud at that wonderful notion as I love Mick Karn's rubbery approach. It's so funny to me that it evolved out of extreme insecurity. Sounds like many techniques I evolved nervously in my drumming life...............lol