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Thats interesting Ted, I put experimental in my web tags alot and am interested in what gets linked to the clip or tune. The search engines are also pretty broad in their definitions. I found this which is wonderful. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SK4tEPRvA24 which led me to this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AW0AqoWp1yI and alot of loopers from this list from the tags looping, ambient, and experimental If I put experimental first or only experimental it changes everything. If I play the same old weird stuff all the time, even though it might still be way out of mainstream Can I still call myself experimental? Like my latest video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3YSMWTej6o I call it experimental but the music and technique are old school and nothing new. What is experimental for me in this instance is the video itself because I am trying new things. Even that is experimental only to me because the effects that I am experimenting with are tried and true stock stuff. Just new to me. Also I am experimenting with new ways to present my sounds and video is cool for that and new and different for me. For others its perhaps old hat. You said: "It's an openness . . . and something that happens in the mind . . . an attitude . . . inventiveness. An awareness that even the world around you is producing "music" every moment. Every sound you hear. It's tuning into and becoming a part of that (for me) and inventing new "music" right along with the cosmos." That statment is music to my ears. Thanks Ted. peace, j Btw, have you seen the movie Augest Rush? I got tears at the end. Sappy and contrived, I know. How about The Legend of 1900? Great stuff. ----- Original Message ----- From: "tEd ® KiLLiAn" <tedkillian@charter.net> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 10:59 AM Subject: Re: What's experimental? Hi all, My Concept of "experimental" music is fairly broad. But it is a heck of a lot more than merely coming to a gig unprepared and without any particular idea in mind as to "material." If you "make it up as you go along" but still everything sounds more-or-less like a 3-minute pop song that's not very experimental. If you do the above and add a recursive loop or ebow drone it's not really any more "experimental" than if you'd added a kazoo. Experimental music need not be random or atonal or devoid of accessible melody - though it often might seems to be in practice. I think some of us are used to, or are influenced by the labels that the music press often give to artists they don't quite know what to do with. Take Adrian Belew for instance, lovely man, great guitar player, totally innovative and one of a kind - they often call him "experimental." While I certainly love most everything he does, and though he may have some waaaay "out there" experimental moments - still nearly everything he does fits fairly neatly onto a standard pop/rock formula. Highly tweaked? Yes it is! Experimental? Probably not in the truest sense. We're all technology hogs here. But going out and buying the latest, greatest esoteric music technology (instrument, appliance or software) will not make one of us any more "experimental" per se than if we'd used the same money to buy dental floss. That is unless we'd figured out ho to make inventive music with dental floss (I suppose). It's what you play and what your concept of what music **MIGHT BE** (potentiality) that makes it "experimental" in my book. It can be done by the most simple means and even no technology at all for that matter. It can be done without even an "instrument" if it comes to that. It's an openness . . . and something that happens in the mind . . . an attitude . . . inventiveness. An awareness that even the world around you is producing "music" every moment. Every sound you hear. It's tuning into and becoming a part of that (for me) and inventing new "music" right along with the cosmos. -- tEd ® kiLLiAn Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn’t do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover. - Mark Twain http://www.pfmentum.com/PFMCD007.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193 http://guitarplayer.com/article/y2k6-international-live/Jun-07/27768 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at Apple iTunes -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.6/1769 - Release Date: 11/5/2008 7:17 AM