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naturally, I was able to instanly find all about this book and even read some of at the click of a mouse. http://www.swarthmore.edu/SocSci/kgergen1/web/page.phtml?id=booksaturated http://www.amazon.com/Saturated-Self-Dilemmas-Identity-Contemporary/dp/0465071856 http://tinyurl.com/646748 Everything I want to know or see or hear, and I remember when it wasn't so. I am from the first tv generation. At least there sre still books, for now. They slow down life and let me savor the moment. http://books.google.com/books?id=SrLwPdBJodMC I'll check the library. Sounds good. Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mikkoz" <biffoz@gmail.com> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 11:27 PM Subject: Re: What's experimental? There's a book called "The Saturated Self", (I forget the author), which explores the affects of the information explosion and postmodern polyglot society. There is a consequence of having anything and everything available immediately—the dulling of newness, surprise and our ability to find quality in the ever-growing mass before us. The book is probably 20 years old and seems prescient to me now. As much as I love to explore my guitar, it's harder and harder to find meaningful notes to play, what with electric guitar being used to sell everything from hamburgers to barbie dolls. The electric-jazz-rock vernacular has been so co-opted that it feels more refreshing to me to play folk music these days! (this is quite possibly a sad admission of a personal failing) 8-) I'm with Ted—howling at the moon when the spirit strikes. On 11/7/08, Nemoguitt@aol.com <Nemoguitt@aol.com> wrote: > i've been listening to PANDORA a lot lately.....upon hearing music that > years > ago sounded "experimental" to me, now sounds commonplace often > self-indulgent.....perhaps not the best example: in the 70's i was >driving > back to > pittsburgh from california (really fast, no speed limits) through the > arizonia salt > flats.....a clear night, stars above and reflected off the flats, a 360 > degree > star fest and in front just a thin line of road with the white lines >doing > their > strob thing in the headlights.....a new EMERSON LAKE AND PLAMER tape > blasting > out of the speakers.....OMG!!!!!.....perhaps this was not experimental > music > but i had not heard anything like this before and was totally blown away, > much > like hearing morton sobotnic's "silver apples of the moon" for the first > time > (a pivitol point in my music life).....i no longer have these tapes or > records but PANDORA not only allows me to revist these past listening > experiences > but also to hear a ton of "new', "experimental", whatever music.....what >i > think > i am trying to say and perhaps it's been said before (i love redundency, > it's > the only way i learn) is, TIME takes the gleam off of > "experimental".....rainer's pointing out of cage's idea "experimental" is > not knowing how things are > going to turn out was very thought provoking for me.....is a piece no > longer > experimental once it has been played.....once i taste the hamburger > covered > with lime jello and coconut, the experiment is concluded (please don't >try > this > at home).....perhaps communication requires an agreed upon vocabulary, we > somehow have to establish a common ground from which we hope to >understand > one > another.....maybe this can not be done.....getting back to ELP, after > listening to > TARKUS for what seemed like 2 hours the other day i flew to my puter and > hit > the next tune button, a big case of been there done that, I WANT >SOMETHING > NEW-FRESH-TOMORROW!.....:)m > > "EVERYTHING YOU KNOW IS WRONG".....firesign theater > > new groovy tunes at: > http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar10 > www.ct-collective.com > > > > > > ************** > AOL Search: Your one stop for directions, recipes and all other > Holiday needs. Search Now. > >(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212792382x1200798498/aol?redir=http://searchblog.aol.com/2008/11/04/happy-holidays-from > -aol-search/?ncid=emlcntussear00000001) > -- Miko Biffle Biffoz@Gmail.com MBiffle@FoxRacingShox.com "Running scared from all the usual distractions!" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.0/1773 - Release Date: 11/7/2008 9:08 AM