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they love to keep things "bonehead simple" over there... I guess they think we're a little bit dumb. or maybe it helps them sell more boxes to the dumber people people which probably outnumber us. it is a shame since their stuff really is THAT good.... Teddy -- PS. -- http://teddyjam.com new live recordings -- http://myspace.com/teddykjam friend me On Nov 9, 2008, at 8:10 AM, Rainer Straschill wrote: > Hi Bill, > > thanks for that lengthy report on the M13. > > I find it interesting (and this is also in line with a lot of your > findings) that Line6 seems to have a really odd strategy when defining > their products, in so much that they always give you about 85% of the > features you long for (and a few extra ones as well), but then leave a > few really important ones uncovered. Examples here (without any claim > of completeness): > > The (original and second-generation if I remember correctly as well) > PODs came in a guitar and a bass guitar version (just like most > competing products and all "high-level" ones). For some reason, the > bass versions never had any delay effects but for some reason three or > four distortion effect models. Then there was the wonderful Teletronix > compressor model which you also mentioned - but it didn't exist in the > guitar version. > > The rack version of the DL4 (don't remember the name, it was > discontinued rather quickly if I remember correctly) had MIDI sync for > its delays, but no MIDI sync for the looper. > > With all of their devices flexibility is lacking a great deal. You > mentioned the great things you can do with the expression pedal, and I > have to agree that for the DL4 the expression pedal implementation > really rocked regarding that market segment. However with the M-13 > (which I regard as not just a stompbox, but a very complex beast), why > not give the possibility to use more complex curves. I always remember > my Sony HR-GP5, a device from the end of the 80ies (if I remember > correctly), which still sits in one of my racks, because you could > (among other things) assign complex controller mappings for (a maximum > of two) expression pedals and four MIDI CCs. > > And you had a very flexible routing structure - almost any combination > of serial and parallel, something I've yet to find with some Line6 > stuff. I'll talk a little bit about the POD X3 which I have: you have > two independent processing paths, but you can't route one path's > output to the other part (to cascade two amps, or two delays, or > whatever). Then you always have the effects order stomp->delay->mod, > you can't change that. No distortion after the delay e.g. No parallel > routing, either (and I believe that's also true for the M-13). > > What bugs me most about the X3 that it gives you almost all of the > effects from the stompbox modelers, yet leaves some very nice ones out > for no apparent reason. Why on earth did they just leave out the > dynamic delay and the tri-state chorus? > > It seems to me that the Line6 stuff is really great for people who > don't feel comfortable editing patches (which I assume, are not that > many on this list) - they simply keep you from editing a lot. I got my > X3 because I wanted a floorboard amp modeller with effects which > equally well caters to guitar and bass guitar - and for that, it was > the best choice. Still, if there was a product which, say, combined > the Boss GT-10 and GT-10B in one device, I'd get rid of my X3 and > never look back. > > Rainer > > (It needs to be said that I like the amp and also some of the effect > models better than all/most of the competitors. This however from > someone who can't hear the difference anyway) >