Re: Voicetone Create (was: RC-50 vs. Laptop Setup: cost comparison)

["L.Angulo" <labaloops@yahoo.com>]

Just my 2 cents on this,i am trying out the Digitech vocalist 4 at the 
moment,very nice and the telphone radio efx are there without the feedback 
drawback,very twaekable and it also sounds definetly nicer than the 
harmony G,you cannot beat the price for a harmonizer with IQ,vox fxs 
processor and simple acoustic guitar fx processor as well,and its still 
cheaper than buying the voice tone create and the harmony G together, my 
only wish is that it was smaller!

www.myspace.com/luisangulocom


--- On Fri, 11/21/08, Mech <mech@m3ch.net> wrote:

> From: Mech <mech@m3ch.net>
> Subject: Re: Voicetone Create (was: RC-50 vs. Laptop Setup: cost 
>comparison)
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Date: Friday, November 21, 2008, 6:50 AM
> At 12:27 AM +0100 11/21/08, Buzap Buzap wrote:
> > 
> >>  Oh, it'll do those "telephone type"
> effects.  There's a distortion
> >>  block that'll allow you to re-EQ for all
> kinds of effects like that,
> >>  IIRC.
> > 
> > did you really get any decent "telephone
> effect"?
> 
> Well, for the short time I was kicking it around, sounded
> pretty good to me.  But I was using it purely in a studio
> context and not live.
> 
> > I always ended up with so much feedback - I gave it
> up.
> 
> Ah, now that's a slightly different issue.  I'm
> pretty sure that it's sorta linked to the nature of the
> effect.  Back 20 years ago when I was mixing live sound for
> a friend's band, the same thing almost drove me insane. 
> They had a song where they wanted the same effect (I was
> using a standard graphic eq for this at the time).  Every
> time I kicked it in, it was a complete crapshoot whether I
> would wind up with howling feedback or not.  Seems most of
> the mid-band frequencies you accentuate for the effect are
> also in the sweet spot for the room resonance of most
> venues.
> 
> Finally figured that, for a live effect, the most stable
> thing to do is to turn it into a telephone effect before it
> ever gets to the microphone.  Easiest way to do this is to
> buy a cheap used megaphone (the crappier the better), turn
> it down to a manageable level, and have the vocalist sing
> through it about a foot off the microphone.
> 
> Not only did that work for us, I actually saw the singer
> for The Fall (amongst others) use that same technique a few
> years later.
> 
> > Good point you made: it's not only for vocals.
> Whenever you need decent reverbs in you chain.
> > Too bad it's only MonoIn>mono/stereoOut
> 
> Thanks!  Only upside of the Mono In thing is that *most* of
> us would only be mic-ing a single amp -- at least for a
> single effect.  If you're running a stereo pair, odds
> are that you want individual control over each amp, so
> you'd have two Creates in your chain anyway.  :)
> 
>       --m.
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