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Eureka! It seems that the key to this is that I have to end the 2nd loop by pressing NextLoop rather than Record. This way, I get 2 loops of the correct cycle length. For the record, settings were AutoRecord=on LoopCopy=ti (but provisional testing setting it to off seemed to work equally well) SwitchQuant=Off Quantise=Loop Sync=out (but this is mandatory for tempo select anyway) Phew. big thanks to Andy and Travis for their help and getting me think in the right direction. lots of fun ahead :) Stephen