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OK, and also here's a toast to Hard Editing. Cut the damn loop, label it, and save a copy of it independent of the original, where you want it, and where it's organized and able to be duplicated without the tether of the mother program, which is susceptible to upgrades much faster than your standard audio file formats are going to be. Do you still have a song 'composed' of files/loops, that could be reassembled if you needed to utilize another DAW to mix/record/assemble? Anyway... Then reimport the hard edit back into your program and let the mothership have her way with it, get back into right brain mode and keep working. I think I'm getting buzzed. Hmmmm.... Night. Rich On 12/5/08 6:54 PM, "Richard Atkinson" <thetoyroom@charter.net> wrote: > Hi Guys, > > Been lurking, mostly. Greets. > > Owen, > If you use your method, and then go to 'edit' that sample in an outside > editor, you still get the original longer piece, corret? I think that >Nick > wants is actual hard samples to repurpose. Ableton is really making a >new > clip, not a new file. > > Actually, I gave up trying to use Ableton as an editor for making smaller > samples of larger pieces, with the exception of in 'arrangement' view. I > think you're right about the snapping is session view while the sample >is in > warp mode...that always irritated me. > > On my Mac, I use an audio editor, Amadeus. Pretty functional and > straightforward. Not very feature filled, but I don't need it to be. I >cut > my hard edits there. > > Session view, double click clip to see sample editor > Right click on sample editor window, then choose > Manage sample File. > Click Edit in sample management window. > Edit in Amadeus, 'save as'. > Reimport into Ableton. > > I really do like using the 'Header' above the file broswer to access >drives, > folders and files directly and create favorites. This helps me a lot >while > file browsing for DJ'ing. (www.5150fm.com, 8-10am PST, saturdays. I'm on > tomorrow am, c'mon by if you're chilling by the PC), but I've been using >it > a lot for recent compositions I'm working on, to 'reimport' new shorter > samples of longer originals, edited by Amadeus, back into the flow of the > song. > > It's been a bit of a relief, since I've never been impressed with >Ableton's > hard editing...so I just gave up. This method now works for me, and >Amadeus > is my first Mac editor I've been able to get comfy with. I never liked >any > others much that I came across. > > Rich > > Www.myspace.com/asopaquemusic > > > > On 12/5/08 4:50 PM, "Nick" <ParadoxQuine@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Thanks for the replies everyone. >> >> Per, sorry, I have very little idea how to do most of what you said at >> this point. >> >> RP, in the tutorial they use arrangement view, which seems to be a lot >> more flexible. however that requires me to drag clips one at a time >> into their own tracks in arrangement view and then delete them when >> done, a very awkward process. Is there a way to use the selection tool >> in the sample edit area? (I looked in the manual but couldn't find >> any). >> >> Owen, it seems to me that would work well enough, except I can't >> figure out how to do precise selection in the sample editor in session >> view because it always snaps but never shows more than 1 beat >> gridlines. If I disable loop, it lets me select precisely but doesn't >> let me use lots of critical looping features. >> >> Any other things I can try or should I turn to external tools? >> >> Thanks everyone, >> Nick >> >> On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 3:13 AM, Owen Green <owen@owengreen.net> wrote: >>> Hi Nick, >>> >>> In session view, if you right click in the clip once you've set your >loop >>> points, there's an option called 'crop sample'. This will create a new >file >>> that you can do what you wish with. >>> >>> hth >>> Owen >>> >>> Nick wrote: >>>> >>>> hi everyone, >>>> >>>> I've been trying my darndest to slice short samples out of tracks in >>>> ableton live and well...every method I know is terrible. I'm currently >>>> using the method described in the tutorial where I drag the file to >>>> the arrangement view and then zoom in and position the start and end >>>> points of the clip or the loop and then repeat until I get it right. >>>> The problem with this method for me is that it's slow and clumsy - I >>>> see no reason why I shouldn't be able to zoom in a bit (in the sample >>>> editor in session view), select the area I want, select a menu item or >>>> similar and poof - there's a new sample that I can drag into impulse. >>>> If someone could point me in the right direction for learning how to >>>> do this in live (perhaps a good tutorial site), that would be great. >>> >>> >>> >> > >