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hi Mark, If it's some kind of bug then I can only guess that it's to do with saving a preset to a different register. I don't remember the details but say you saved preset 14B to register 1A. It should work, but for some combinations of source/destination the Vortex goes haywire. ( massed digi-distortion on one occasion, but with intact A-B morphing to a regular sound...hmm...maybe that's something you'd like). It's possible it's a hardware thing, as I reckon the echo & mod are done in different parts of the circuit. Did you check the ECHO LVL param? Does tweaking it get the Echoes back? If my unit was doing this, I'd leave it switched for days on in the hope that the fault became permanent, then I'd take it to the local electronics fixer, making sure I used the phrase "leaky capacitor" at least once. (Vortex schematic now available from http://www.andybutler.com/vortex/vortex.htm ) good luck andy butler mark francombe wrote: > The vortex: Suddenly all the echo parts of the patches disappear... all > modulation or panning of filter parts of the patches, are ok!!! I > restart the box (not easy with the vortex, why cant all things have an > on/off switch on the front) unplug the power and plug back in... And lo > and behold the echos are back... > > Specifically Andy, or Ted??? > > M >