Re: looper vs storyteller. if there even is

["L.Angulo" <labaloops@yahoo.com>]

what about a backward loop,what kind of a story does it tell you?

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--- On Tue, 3/3/09, Nevyn Nowhere <nevynnowhere@gmail.com> wrote:

> From: Nevyn Nowhere <nevynnowhere@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: looper vs storyteller. if there even is
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Date: Tuesday, March 3, 2009, 4:45 PM
> On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 3:54 PM, Anders Bergdahl <
> anders_e_bergdahl@hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> >  But what do we mean when we say that an abstract
> instrumental peice of
> > music tells a STORY!!
> >
> 
> Prethought is what I mean, and is there any.  If there is
> no prethought, and
> it's human response to frequencies then to me, it's
> less a "story" by my
> definition of it... ie it's not something you thought
> out beforehand and
> said "i'm going to present in this specific way
> via these frequencies and
> auditory touchings"... in any degree.  It's purely
> taking a base and seeing
> where your current feelings take it.  To me, a story is
> something you can
> tell even when you're not FEELING that specific story
> at that specific
> moment.
> 
> 
> > It can't really, can it? Can there be meaning in
> an improvisation??
> >
> 
> Meaning yes.  Story... debatable... but I'm thinking,
> as I define "story",
> no.  Can there be "a" story in improv? 
> Absolutely... but more a story that
> is found, vs a story that one set down to tell.
> 
> 
> 
> > Is there meaning in a composition? What is the meaning
> with "green onions"
> > or Bethovens 5th or Kind of blue.
> >
> 
> You'd have to ask them.  70% of my "abstract"
> music has very specific
> meaning.
> 
> 
> > A story needs meaning, doesn't it??
> >
> 
> Often.  Sometimes it's just wordplay.  Which is more
> where I see fully
> improv movements, as a general meaning (there are
> exceptions).
> 
> >
> > I wo
> >
> > But WHY do we feel that some music tells a STORY,
> there are no narrative
> > elements,
> >
> 
> What do you mean no narrative elements?  I think there are
> fully narrative
> elements in non word music.
> 
> 
> > we clearly mean something else than a story in a book,
> don't we?
> >
> 
> Yes, hopefully some of what I'm sharing help s you
> understand where my
> questioning comes from.
> 
> -nn
> happyhumans.org