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Punching in w/a pedal or quick button presses allows some very nice stuttering on tape. Obviously it doesn't shorten the loop, but you can drop in quick fragments of audio (or silence) with interesting results. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com > I once borrowed two reel to reel tape recorders and they made a > totally free looper. No much slicing and stuttering unless you take a > time out with the scissors and tape though. > > Per