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RE: POLYRHYTHMIC COUNTERPOINT

“Navajo” by Fred Frith, from Speechless. There are plenty of other Frith examples of wacked-out meterliness, but this one has always seemed peculiarly weird, but mesmerizing.

 

Mike Giles plays “21st C…” in 3 for long stretches, albeit while madness erupts around him.

 

Of course, now that we’ve slid into prog territory the list can become endless.

 

For anyone who is a huge Henry Cow fan, the boxed set released last year (or was it 2008?) has a lot of interesting essays and interviews, including several discussions of their practicing multiple ways to create additive rhythms.

 

Hal Dean

From: Mark Showalter [mailto:folkstone57@operamail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 1:11 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: POLYRHYTHMIC COUNTERPOINT

 


"Money" Pink Floyd

7/4 main part of verse

6/4 end of verse

4/4 end of verse & guitar solo & outro

 

"21st Century Schizoid Man"

Time Signatures change all over the place randomly without any sense of planning or such, mostly in the extended solo section(s)

----- Original Message -----
From: Louie Angulo
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: POLYRHYTHMIC COUNTERPOINT
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 15:27:27 +0200

i personally never been interested in mechanical plain odd time signatures for the sake of playing "odd" im more interested in the hidden subtle "blended" ones
this is why i love them within song context,because they still have to be appealing;-)

ok so lets name some of the most memorable tunes or hits that have odd time signatures!
(an odd time hit is a good sign because it means that the average western 4/4 listener probably isnt even aware of the time signature and still dances drunk to a normal 4/4:-)

ill start with one of my old time favorite:

"Solsbury Hill" - Peter Gabriel, The song uses a 7/4 time signature in most of the song but the last two measures of each chorus are in 4/4

"Black Dog" -Led Zeppelin- well this is a real mess;-) 3 bars of 4/4 and one of 5/4 ,then i think in the second part it goes into 10 ive never been completly sure what the hell is going on here (please refer to Rick for this one)
i still cant understand how this one even got any radio play (warning: dont try to dance this one with a girl)

"Thela Hun Ginjeet" - king crimson,i rember hearing this one often in the radio,most instruments on 4/4 but the riff is in 7/8

feel free to add!
cheers
Luis











On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 1:37 PM, mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com> wrote:

On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 1:24 PM, andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:

mark francombe wrote:

clever to me, and Im very impressed with the head patting tummy stroking IS 7 beats against 5 a pleasant "musical" sound, if you remove the er... 16ths.. well not 16ths... but you know what I mean?


The trouble with odd times is that people tend to think that getting the notes in right place is *success*,
and leave it at that.


My point entirely!
 
As a musician I canīt help but be a bit impressed by clever and physically ambidextrous guitarist doing impossible things on a guitar, hell I once looked up on YouTube how to do a shredders sweep... but musically, these performances do tend to make me be a little sick in my mouth.

I actually often LIKE the sound polyrhythms make, but the fact that a musician is doing it ..  alone changes what I hear in it, suddenly Iīm hearing technique and "clever clogs-ness".
Are they playing an instrument, or are they doing 50 push-ups?
If only one could cheat and NOT really do it, but somehow use technology to achieve the same sound, so anyone could do it, if only there was a device that could , oh I dont know, record what you play and repeat it at odd timings, so you didn't have to... that would be wonderful!

 



Mark Showalter
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