Re: @Bill, empty loop, or looperlative/EDP trick (composition?)

[Sylvain Poitras <sylvain.trombone@gmail.com>]

Great stuff Andy, those are some excellents tips and wicked tracks.  I
really appreciate the quantized insert, I'll have to try that out in
mobius this weekend.

I've dabbled a bit with 8th replace this summer when I took an intro
course to electro-acoustic composition at SFU.  I did a write-up of my
experience on my blog, which may be of interest to some of you (not
live livelooping, more like studio livelooping, if that makes any
sense).

http://no-insects.blogspot.com/2010/07/musique-concrete-with-bidule-and-mobius.html

Sylvain


On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 7:03 AM, andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> 
wrote:
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>> Andy said
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>>> One thing that the Looperlative does which helps this is that once you
>>> have a footswitch set up to do an 8th replace
>>> it responds in an interesting way to multiple taps.
>>> It will automatically
>>> do as many replaces as you do taps with a gap between each.
>>> That makes it very easy to get some kind of recognizable rhythm
>>> happening.
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> William Walker wrote:
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>>  I found this out by not being able to control my habit of double 
>tapping,
>> having not been raised on a sus command machine like the EDP, I've 
>always
>>  gotten used to replace being a function you had to punch in and out of,
>>  and realizing I had just added two sus replace notes. So Andy am I to
>> understand that you were the guy who conceived of  8th replace function 
>on
>> the EDP?
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> Well, Replace  was already in use and popular.
> I certainly pushed for 8th Quantise in the EDP, and had the
> idea, during loopIV development, that it would be nice if a single button
> press neatly
> Replaced just one chunk.
> I also suggested the EDP behaviour that made that possible, although
> that suggestion probably only got included by Matthias because it
> was also a neat fix to a bug.
>
> With apologies to those who heard it already, here's the first
> ever track to be recorded using 8th Replace, back in 2003
> http://www.andybutler.com/mp3/backwater.mp3
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> watch out for the use of loop windowing about 2mins into the track
> to hear the eight beat loop suddenly change into an evolving 8 bar
> sequence.
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>> For those just tuning in it  is the inspiration for the quantize replace
>> feature on the Looperlative, and can also be found in Mobius and 
>Matthias'
>> new EvoLoop which i saw the prototype of and was really excited by.
>
> Matt showed me the bits of it on Skype, very cool looking.
>
>> So my question, can you set the EDP's 8th replace function to a variety 
>of
>> different beat divisions like you can on the LP-1?  I really love using 
>this
>> technique over an 12, 10 or 9 beat subdivision, in addition to my most 
>often
>> used 16. The looperlative's ability to go as high as a subdivision of 
>128
>> makes it really interesting for crazy glitching over a short loop 
>length.
>> Bill
>
> Sure, it depends on the 8th/Cycle setting.
>
> It's also possible to use a related trick called
> Cycle Quantised SUS Insert.
> You tap in a single beat short loop, then each foot tap
> increases the length of the loop by a beat.
> That means when you're bored of 5/8 you just drop
> in a couple more beats and go to 7/8.
>
> http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/andybutler/edp/tripwire.mp3
>
> again, apologies for reposting that track (from 2004)
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> The thing I really like about these tricks is that people take them and
> produce a result that is all their own.
> Perhaps it's appropriate to see it as a compositional technique
>
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> Here's Rick Walker morphing a blast of noise into
> something that sounds uncannily like a Hip Hop
> track that was current at the time.(2008)
>
> http://www.andybutler.com/mp3/Norfest08/RW-Intro.mp3
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> Rick's using a Looperlative there.
>
> Other 8th replace users
> Bernhard Wagner
> Greg Poorman
> Steve Lawson
> Mark Francombe
> Stephen Scott
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> andy butler
> ps
> and thanks to Bill for the excuse for writing this,
> ..more excellent music involving 8th replace here
> http://www.youtube.com/user/BillWalkerGuitar
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