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the one thing i love about black keys is that when you stick to them only,they never sound wrong;-) cheers Luis On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 8:25 PM, Rainer Straschill <moinsound@googlemail.com> wrote: > Rick Walker schrieb: >> >> I think that using C major (and all of it's resultant 7 Greek modes) >as >> a point of departure and a way of understanding how to play in any key >is >> the fastest way to get a handle on the instrument. >> >> In a very cool way, the keyboard makes you think, specifically, of >> intervallic relationships >> in a way that the guitar doesn't. > > It would really be interesting to hear the opinion of someone who did >first > learn the guitar and is now both an accomplished guitarist and pianist on > this "understanding piano for guitarists" topic. > And that might just be a problem - any of the people I can think of from >the > top of my head (Gismonti, Towner, Keneally, van Halen) did start with >piano > and then picked up guitar later...just a coincidence? Anyone can name >some > counter examples? > > Being an "amatuer Gismonti" myself (meaning: learning piano first, then > studying composition, then doing some guitar), I can only offer a look >at it > from the other side: > > (all of my statements describe my personal learning experiences here, >which > might differ from those of others, and actually be counter-intuitive or >even > inefficient): > Piano is very neatly organized in octaves, and how fingering stays >constant > from octave to octave, which the guitar is not so much, at least not > intuitively (the major 3rd between G and B string doesn't help here...). > However, the guitar is (with the exception of the major 3rd...) more > consistent with intervals, e.g. 2 frets = one tone, 1 string up 1 fret >back > = major 4rd etc, which the piano is not (unless you're counting keys, >which, > due to the white/black logic, is not the intuitive way to perceive it). >On > the piano, the step from the goal to play a certain chord to fingering >the > right keys is chord -> intervals -> notes -> fingering, i.e. from "maj7 >on > B" you go via "major third, minor third, major third" to "B D# F# A#" to >the > actual hand position. And this works well in all keys (and imo it >actually > helps if you start doing so early on). And btw, you'll have a hard time >even > playing standard pop/rock/blues chords when sticking with white keys. > Let's say you want a blues - do it in A (because its similar to >Aeolian), so > you have the chords Am (works fine), Dm (works fine), Am (works fine), >E7 - > buggers. Same if you play major (in C), and then want to emphasise the > tonic's double role as the subdominant's dominant by adding a 7... > > That being said - I'm mostly curious about the "guitarists who later >picked > up piano and are famous for both" suggestions! > > Rainer > > -- > http://moinlabs.de > Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/moinlabs > >