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Some more reflections.. (first a side note, definitions are social constructions, if a group of language users use a word in one way it has a specific meaning for them, and the same word could, and often have, a completely different for an other group of language users... AND the only way to communicate efficiently is to discuss with other in a manner like we do now.. questions like "what do YOU think of when I say a certain word, i might be surprised by your'e reactions and find that we say the same thing but we mean very different things.. so to speak.. So my objective is a discussion that triggers ideas not to nail down definitions, because you can't we can agree to use a term in certain way but the meaning will change over time.... well.. to the subject at hand)
Mark:"To ask whether to programming a sequencer of drum-machine, live, and "on the fly" is looping, is just nonsense.. its not looping! Its LIVE SEQUENCING... and thats EXTREMELY cool too! The fact that you might be sequencing samples you have made is irrelevant, they were PRE-made so not looping! To loop, you have to er... loop something! That means some live input. In the case of 1 or 2 tools that allow both, octatrack for example, I think that is both live looping and sequencing." BUT what is a "live input" a synthesizer have a wave form as sound source, as does a sampler when the sample is played, the wave form might be longer, a complete "loop" sometimes. But for my triggering that wave form/loop and changing pitch and adding filters is as much live playing as playing any synthesizer, except you are not synthesizer from an oscillator to emulate an existing instrument or create new sounds. So live triggering and manipulation is as much and instrument as any digital synthesizer, just a different interface. For example Jan Bang is playing and INSTRUMENT when he uses his samplers live. For the most part he is not live sequencing any more than most keyboard players. And if i can capture that live sound manipulation and replay it in loops (either looping as in re sampling or being able to loop the manipulating of the sound source, the effect is identical. re sampling enables me to take the sound from several tracks and replay it on one track which frees the other track for new manipulation while retaining the old ones it IS live and it is looping. ) For me the interesting part to discuss is, HOW can one create interesting music by letting looped recorded sounds or sequences change during performance. And then, what advantages does different types of "instruments" (loopers, samplers, software enviroments) support creative music making. As i think someone said before, to have written down music being played back by an orchestra or a sequencer is not that different, it becomes live if the playback can be affected and reacted to live. The conductor and musicians adjust then music in real time, and a person manipulating loops and sequences can change the flow live to adjust to what he hears... OR.. |