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Hi guys, Just want to share my joy with the current Live version extended with M4L. I used Live a lot about ten years ago, together with a EDP/Repeater based rig to send chains of fast action commands to my loopers. But then Mobius arrived on the scene and I converted my Live MIDI Control Clips to Mobius scripts and got rid of the hardware loopers in order to focus more on the music with the more portable laptop based looping rig. During the years I made many attempts to include Live again but it never worked out well because Live was so bad at following external tempo sync - and I rather set the tempo by playing and looping instead of using a pre fixed tempo "as click". The Live 8 upgrade solved this issue and now Live follows Mobius (or any hosted looper plugin's) output tempo clock without loosing it. I think Live now is as good tempo following host app as Bidule and Mainstage, that I also like using. In some areas better... The big slam was picking up the Max4Live extension! M4L opens up Live and turns it into a modular system like Numerology and Bidule. Finally I can get rid of the need of dedicating two expression pedals for "swell pedal function" volume for the two audio outputs of my instrument. This is because M4L offers a great ENVELOPE FOLLOW function and what I did was to apply it on the audio input and target a volume functionality later in the signal chain as the parameter to be linked with audio signal amplitude. And then I set a quarter note long fade-up. For plucked and tapped string instruments this means I can get a violin-like swelling attack if playing a note from silence but get the normal string attack if playing slurs, hammer-ons etc. And of course turn it all off at times. Works great! But I had to try some different solutions for the volume function parameter in the target position. For example, if using Live's Utility plug's gain parameter I get zipper noise. Sometimes I targeted a compressor output level parameter and sometimes a track volume parameter, those two work well without zipper noise. Another great use of envelope follow is to assign audio input signal amplitude to feedback in a delay unit or time/size of a reverb unit; instant sound cloud freezing with a new "pocket" being created for any new note you play, making sure you never overload such a sound cloud. I've been struggling to set up a noise-less freeze functionality for years but for the first time I managed to get it working to my standards. There's a lot more, I don't want to make this post too long. M4L brings good live surround sound tools that I will probably use a lot in the future. Another exceptional thing is Kapture. Created by Liine for Plastikman this patch gives you total recall of everything in the mixer or the devices! I currently don't use that approach though, as I favor the traditional pedalboard context (Gordius LG) but Kapture would be great for doing a directed show or if performing using the mixer system as your instrument; you would then able to tweak ahead all the way to sonic hell and keep an instant life line back to where you started from. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.perboysen.com http://www.youtube.com/perboysen