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Re: Re: Troubles recording vocals through bass octave effect
Alright, after 3hrs of work last night, I think the problem with the bass rattle is related to the computer. While researching bass synths online I put on Spotify and lo and behold, as I was listening to some Jimi, I started to hear the faintest rattle/ringing through my Sennheiser HD380's. I then went to YouTube and put on some Victor Wooten - and bingo! The rattle was there.
I was unplugged from the wall and in a room with no other music gear...I was probably 6-8' from anything electronic...I didn't even have my phone there. When I use the same cans into my iPod, no issues with the bass ring/rattle.
When playing at home in real time, I always use the monitor out of the Blackjack, so the signal gets to me before hitting the computer, hence why I don't hear it while playing.
I have no idea if there is a "solution" to this as it appears the computer will not only create this interference, but include it on playback (so recording a dry track and using a plug in to create the bass part will probably yield similar results).
After figuring this out, I went back and created a new bass vocal patch on my HD500 to better replicate what I was hearing on a studio album of Son of Dave after finding a recent pick that showed him using a Behringer Ultra Octaver for bass lines live. It took a while to get the controls of the POD HD down and find a clip of just the bass humming. The key for me was using a compressor into the bass octaver and keeping the dry signal up to about 10 o'clock. I used a Fender Twin amp emulator with no speaker cabinet...I will probably switch to the studio tube preamp model when the next update comes out.
On the cans I was able to mix a strikingly similar bass sound to the album, and played against it as a backing track. Yeah! However, I can't record it as I get that bass ring/rattle. This afternoon, after work, I will try the new patch through my K10's and adjust for live use.
One win and one loss last night.
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Mike Fugazzi
vocals/harmonica
http://www.mikefugazzi.comFacebook
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On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 7:38 AM, Sanne de Waard
<sanne@waard.de> wrote:
I use the MDA-VST plugin live with PC-laptop in all these videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/VocaLoop/videos
On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 4:27 AM, Mike Fugazzi
<mikefugazzi@gmail.com> wrote:
Any sound samples? I don't think the POD HD synths will work well. They are just to glitchy even with just vocals. The bass octaver has a good bottom end, but is muddy. The synth route really intrigues me, but without a reference tone to shoo for, who the hell knows what I need, lol.
There appears to be nothing like the DBX or Peavey in stompbox format...that is something I would need for live use.On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 8:50 PM, Rick Walker
<looppool@cruzio.com> wrote:
On 7/22/64 11:59 AM, Sanne de Waard wrote:
Hi,
I cannot help you with your current technical problem, but I do have a lot of experience with "octaving" my voice and vocal percussion. Instead of using an octaver, you could try to use a subharmonic synth. The results actually are stunning and way better than an guitar octaver.
Hardware: http://www.dbxpro.com/120A/
Software: http://mda.smartelectronix.com/ (MDA Sub-Bass Synthesizer, VST)
Good luck,
Sanne
This is Kid Beyond's secret weapon, live.
Also, a few years back when Elliot Smith died, my wife and I helped out his estate
by buying a one rack hardware suboctave generator that works really
well live for vocals.
It's buried in a rack I'm not using currently, but I think it was an earlier Peavey model.
rick walker
