Re: Re: This list... was BBS format

[Rick Walker <looppool@cruzio.com>]

.....a beautiful, heartfelt, intelligent and well constructed post,  
Violet.
I'll break my own  "keep the daily digest succinct rule" and copy all of 
it for
those who missed the original.

Kim would be really fucking proud of you for having penned it.
Thanks........and thanks for continuing to let this list and this 
website live on.

Thanks to his memory and his vision of this community that he didn't 
control.

sincerely,   Rick Walker



On 2/22/12 2:50 AM, Violet Xoxox wrote:
> openjam@aol.com wrote:
> > Amazing to me,  LD still runs the way it did when i first discovered.
> > Kim even still appears from time to time. Not sure how much behind the
> > scenes stuff is going or who's involved in the day-to-day, but I'd like
> > to believe that no one is and it's simply the genius of kim flint still
> > looping.
> I won't burst your bubble, then.  I'll just say that Kim was a genius, but
> even he couldn't swing that.   ;)
>
> mark francombe<markfrancombe@gmail.com>  wrote:
> > I think he knew that Jeff.. and I know what he means! You just try
> > sending a mail to LD using the wrong mail address, Kim sends you a
> > mail and reminds you politely but firmly what a dolt you are... I cry
> > every time...
> Somewhere I'm sure Kim is crying over that too, Mark.  Or laughing.  LOL
>
> Jeff Shirkey<jcshirke@frontier.com>  wrote:
> > Actually, I don't even know why I'm here--but I stick around, mostly
> > for the  conversation and the company. lol
> That right there is what makes it special.  In a [cyber]world where most
> people are "expressing themselves" via text messages and tweets and status
> updates, having an actual conversation is a rare thing.  It's getting
> harder and harder to find people who can write more than a single sentence
> any more.  And to think this is what's called "progress"....
>
> If you think about it, even though mailing lists in general may be
> "old-fashioned," the way this particular list was designed and the
> principles under which it operates are actually pretty cutting edge.
> (There's only been one other mailing list that operated the same way, and
> it was one of mine.  Our lists were a carefully thought out social
> experiment that paid off, but it was a lot of work having to repeatedly
> explain the concept to members, who were used to a lifetime of authority
> figures telling them what they could and couldn't do.)
>
> I think that's the reason LD has continued to thrive as other mailing lists
> fell by the wayside.  If you give people a place where they can form a true
> community, one where they're in charge and are free to discuss and interact
> without a crapload of rules and regulations and TOSs and limits, they not
> only appreciate it, but they will defend and protect it.  The reason this
> list succeeds is because you guys care about it and put yourselves into it
> and make it what YOU want it to be, and in today's bland cookiecutter world
> of social networking sites where we're herded into little pens and kept in
> line and are barely more than numbers and commodities to the corporations
> that run them, with our personal information being sucked out at an
> alarming rate and given to advertisers to pester the snot out of us, and
> with privacy policies, boundaries, and even user interface designs changing
> minute-to-minute, having a place where people can talk and connect like
> real PEOPLE is unique.
>
> Just for fun I went hunting to see if I could find any explanations Kim
> might have written and turned this up from a few years' back:
>
>     Looper's Delight has always operated under principles of freedom of
>     expression and individual responsibility. That is why the community is 
> so
>     strong. There is no authority available to censor anybody else, nor is
>     there any need for it. The community manages and regulates itself just
>     fine. (a reasonable example of a functional anarchy, in fact.)
>
> The biggest difference between Kim and me is that he could be succinct.  
> LOL
>
> Okay, I'm done yapping.  I get so excited talking about this, the way the
> list operates, because Kim and I spent so many hours having deep
> discussions about stuff like this and I miss that desperately.  I don't
> believe I'll ever find anyone else in my lifetime that I can talk to the
> way I could talk to him, and I'll spend the rest of my life struggling to
> comprehend how life could be this cruel and never being able to understand.
>
> Violet
> xoxox