Re: A = 440 Hz OR 432 Hz?

[Ben Edwards <astralmnemonics@gmail.com>]

"This is getting a bit away from "tuning" however,"

Are you talking about Sonic Youth?  They used numerous tunings and had many guitars set for specific songs.  This website has some of that information : http://www.sonicyouth.com/mustang/tab/tuning.html

On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 2:04 PM, mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com> wrote:

On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 9:32 PM, the birthday boy> wrote:
You have to love those aggressively attacked Telecaster
guitars where the pitch initially is off

TOTALLY!! Wanna say that Sonic Youth ae the only band I have ever seen who trashed their gear on the first song of the set... 15 minute break while techs set up amps again, and Thurston climbed out of the mosh pit.. ha ha

This is getting a bit away from "tuning" however, but there no doubt that theres lts of "effecyt" in discrete bends. Its a technique I have use all my life, always LOVED whammy bars, and bent notes. I have always considered all those positions "between frets" as options, and have always tried to play quite fluidly, using bends almost likes slides (never been able to handle a bottleneck in Bill Walker way, but always have a spanner handy).

I just spent a egotistical half hour trying to find tracks  by Cranes on Spotify where I did some bending, and discovered I used it much more than I even remember! I think its a mixture of always liking that surf guitar tremelo bigsby twang, and at the same time trying all sorts of techniques to try to NOT sound like a guitar!

M

On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 9:32 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:

Yeah, I want to chime on the Sonic Youth argument here! In the
eighties when they came out as "the new hardcore thing" I first went -
"wait these guys don't know how to tune their guitars" but after a few
seconds I just discovered it was the meanest and coolest attitude I'd
heard so far.  You have to love those aggressively attacked Telecaster
guitars where the pitch initially is off (too high dammit!) by almost
a quarter note and then the string comes to rest at the intended
tuning. That's a cool "micro tonal" effect!  And what about singers
like David Bowie that misses notes by far and it just makes the music
come to live!

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.perboysen.com
http://www.youtube.com/perboysen

On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 8:41 PM, astralmnemonics@gmail.com
<astralmnemonics@gmail.com> wrote:
> Yeah I tend to prefer noise rock like Fugazi and Sonic Youth who improvise with feedback and dissonance, over songs that were written with a specific harmony/tuning being played in super neo tuning
> -----Original Message-----
> Date: Thursday, November 15, 2012 11:27:27 am
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> From: "mark francombe" <mark@markfrancombe.com>
> Subject: Re: A = 440 Hz OR 432 Hz?
>
> Well thankfully I have never been afflicted by the said disease at all! If
> you played me a C and told me it was a F I'd believe you, well.. maybe not,
> but that would be because I would suspect you were up to something and look
> carefully into your eyes.
>
> If Ive done a gig and my G string is a bit out, Ill play on!! Much more
> important to rock, than to stop and say.. hang on... I think my G string is
> loose (might get a laugh tho).
>
> I think this is an interesting thread, and I actually love the sound of
> dissonance and note clusters and the subtleties of tuning for effect,
> But playing conventional music in weird micro tunings (like on the link
> posted earlier in this thread) just sounds HORRIBLE to my ears... I dont
> care if its related to the golden mean or the layout of the pyramids of
> Maya... or exact reproductions of harmonical relationships... The audience
> thinks your are our of tune dude!
>
> Ive been trying to think of a few references to recording that I think are
> interesting due to weird tunings, and I cant think of one, but there are a
> few related things.
>
> The tremolo bends on "Loveless" (My Blood Valentine of course.. my god they
> have reformed... cant wait for my ears to bleed again!!) I absolutely
> adore, one of the best albums ever.
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lf8j1bUgwJ8&feature=related
> And I'm still a sucker for the grungy noize of World Domination Enterprise,
> where the guitarist tuned to a cassette tape of him playing a tuning that
> he couldnt get from a tuner, apparently he woke up one day to an out of
> tune guitar, didnt bother tuning it,
>

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