Thats what I'm talking about Thanks for the tips Todd, from your description it sounds like a less chaotic version of the scramble function on the Looperlative, something I was hoping to create in software. For now I'm going to go with Ableton as a host, but start with mobius by itself, and get that happening. The general consensus seems to be that Ableton has the edge in terms of platform stability, and since my mainframe is windows and I'm also considering partitioning this computer for windows as well, this makes the most sense to me. Thanks Bill Hey Bill, Right now MainStage 3 is not compatible with Mobius because the new version of MainStage/Logic will only work with 64-bit plug-ins. Jeff is already working it though so maybe by the time you incorporate a host then Mobius will be 64-bit. Check out the Shuffle - function in Mobius with your sub cycle number dividing your loop into 8th notes then go to Presets - Functions - and turn Shuffle to 'Random' Once you bind a footswitch to the shuffle function and build up a bed of sound it will randomly shuffle the notes creating a cool rhythm similar to sus replace.