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Not necessarily… I've been using pedal-based control of loopers for years along with some tweaking of panel knobs etc on the fly and it is not only very doable but can be quite easy. It obviously matters what types of things you'd like to do but generally what I've found to be the difficult part of using rack gear with pedal boards / midi control surfaces is the setting up. Nine out of ten times I need sighted help for this so this would be the sticking point in the scenario. Having said that though, once you get a midi setup going that you feel comfortable with, not only is it unrivaled in flexibility (depending on your actual looper of choice) but it is very personal. So rather than needing to learn an arbitrary layout you simply create your own. this comes very much in handy in live performance as you can make your favorite functions easiest to reach / work with, and you can do so in your chosen modality. I.E. Would you rather use your foot to access a function, great, then use your foot. Would you rather use your hands? Great! then use your hands. With the flexibility of using midi control surfaces, it's up to you. With a stock pedal-based unit it's usually not up to you which functions are easiest to access. Now, just to be clear, I'm soooo not knocking the 45000. It sounds terrific. I just want to establish very clearly that it is not the be all and end all for visually impaired loopers and looperixes! ;) Just my thoughts… Have an awesome awesome awesome evening and hope everyone's having a wonderful holiday season!!! Smiles, Cara :) --- iOS design and development - LookTel.com --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn Follow me on Twitter! https://twitter.com/ModelCara On Dec 11, 2013, at 11:52 AM, Charles Zwicky <cazwicky@earthlink.net> wrote: At 2:22 PM -0500 12/11/13, Andrrew Owens wrote: > Wow with these 45000 and rang comparisons, actually the LP1 DOES > rule I guess!! > Unless you're blind, in which case the Electro Harmonix 2880 / 45000 rule... -- ... http://www.zmix.net http://albumcredits.com/zmix