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Re: software looper

Ok. Guys. I've spent some time reading through this thread.  I started looking into software looping a couple months ago. I'm in this boat as well. (Boomerang and Sidecar guy) 
I acquired Ableton to record my album with and soon discovered I could use it to loop, route audio through effects that snap to the tempo and sync my loops to premade loops(clips) easily. Thus eliminating a very complex live rig of a huge pedal board, many cables, grooveboxes and other toys.  
So I played around with Ableton's looper and using Clips to loop. Also tried and failed to host Mobius in 64 bit with jbridge with reliability. 
I got hung up for awhile trying to make Ableton behave like the Boomerang. I finally came to accept that this was not currently possible..but there are a lot of thing you can do in Live that the Boomerang cannot do. Ex: For one the flexibility of signal routing is amazing. Your wish for separate volume controls is easily achievable. I now only need one mic instead of two because I can route its audio to the looper only when I want to capture a loop.(no more bleed thru!) I like how "stop" stops the loop at the end of the bar..not right when you push it. That is a preference thing though.  play once is easily accomplished by having a dummy clip automate loop off. You can do so much with dummy clips it will melt your brain. Also "stacking" or overdubbing is super easy to set up..no pedal dancing like the rang. One downfall is you need either a double tap or an extra footswitch for "stop". I decided to use two switches for each loop. One for start and one for stop. It's not ideal though. I decided that I could sacrifice some of the Boomerang's features for the flexibility in Live. This would mean changing and relearning my looping style. I decided to roll with it. I invested in an expensive new laptop and a footcontroller. Many hours personifying it. i've also dedicated some of the loop functions to my launchpad mini instead of the foot pedal. I fugured why not? My loops are already running so things like reverse, multiply, clear and mute can be done by hand. Also my pedal only needs to control my guitar loopers. My keyboard and vocal loops are done by fingers on the launchpad now.  Anyway I'm still learning and building this system. I need it road ready by the gigging season in May so I have a lot of work and rehearsal to do. I've sold a lot of hardware but haven't made the leap to sell the old Rang yet....Anyway that is where I am at currently

On Sun, Jan 31, 2016 at 6:18 PM, Philippe ollivier <Philippe.ollivier@logellou.com> wrote:
Hi Torben,
You can download Logelloop 4.4 on our website at www.logelloop.com.
However, I send you the link to Logelloop 4.5 beta.

Le 31 janv. 2016 à 21:50, Torben Scharling <torbenscharling@gmail.com> a écrit :

Btw please please send me the beta also if u don't mind Philipe :) torbenscharling@gmail.com

On Sun, Jan 31, 2016 at 9:44 PM, Torben Scharling <torbenscharling@gmail.com> wrote:
I am in the middle of starting my setup from scratch cause el crap refused to log in after the latest update, and I didn't have a recent enough backup (silly me). After scanning the gear slutz I decided to go with 10.9.5 (Mavericks..the one before yosemite). How's mobius on that os x version? Maybe more stable? Also, why don't you set those pre-loaded drum loops up in your DAW, instead of into a hardware device, and switch it around with midi foot controllers `?

On a side note I'm not fond of the look and approach of ableton live (maybe I need to update my brain and start using it though?) cause I'm not finding Reaper stable enough (time will tell if it changes now that I'm doing a serious re-start, checking everything much more thoroughly than before). I dig dig diggg the MainStage ability to keep a midi note going, change sound to another sound/preset/patch without it abruptly changing over to the selected sound/prese... something I don't think most other DAWS can do, still to this day?! Or has that finally been added to ableton live??

I guess if I should ditch my boomerang III + side car it would be if I could setup a software equivalent with the exact same functions (Cause I need/want to be able to individually adjust the loop volumes, and unfortunately Mike from Rang is not helpful with that with his weird design on those endless digital rotary encoders, that one day for sure will be kicked and break, and are impossible to operate with your foot in a live situ..so we/I have to come up with a DIY solution ourselves, and perhaps the only solution is to drop using hardware loopers/boomerang. Luckily I just received two really nice silent click 12 and 4 button usb midi controller pedals with individual light indicators, and I'm gonna try to setup those to work as the ultimate loopers, if I don't get a handle on those pesky encoders on the rang. Some people have mentioned buying 4 Third hand pedals to adjust them, but that would be a much heavier, and big pedal board, than what I had in mind, which was to have 4 EV-5's doing the volume changing of those 4 loops, and that's not technically possible.)

On Sun, Jan 31, 2016 at 4:28 PM, Philippe ollivier <Philippe.ollivier@logellou.com> wrote:
OK, I send it off list.

Le 31 janv. 2016 à 15:11, EJ Singson <ejsingson@gmail.com> a écrit :

One shot is totally integral. I would love to try your program! Can o get a beta link? 

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 31, 2016, at 4:14 AM, Philippe ollivier <Philippe.ollivier@logellou.com> wrote:

Have you tried Logelloop?
It is very stable on Yosemite.
Each track has a ‘play once’ button (a bit broken in the current but the fix is coming very soon now and I can send you offlist a link to the beta who fix it)
It is possible to preload loops and record overdubs on them.
And much more is possible!

You’ll find the demo at www.logelloop.com.


Le 31 janv. 2016 à 06:20, EJ Singson <ejsingson@gmail.com> a écrit :

I've been a looper for a good while now. I'm transition over to software looping, and cutting down on my pedalboard.

I still haven't found the perfect software yet, which is really frustrating. Ableton Live comes close, but my reliance on the line6 m-series/dl4 style switch functions makes it impossible.

I need to have a "play once" button, where it starts the loop from the beginning and when it comes to the end of the loop, ends playback.

Mobius seems to be able to do it, but I can't get it running stable no matter WHAT on yosemite. Live looping being perilous as it is, I need something absolutely stable.

Right now, I'm also stuck using my digitech jamman, because you can preload loops. This makes streamlining live sections much easier by preloading drum tracks. Neither mobius or live seem to be able to handle preloading tracks, playing them, being able to loop over them, and then banking up to the next drum track.

(I'm not sure if I'm explaining that last part well, so here is a video of my playing where I bank up and down through some drum tracks with looping. https://youtu.be/IVN24TFVOe0)

Does anyone have any suggestions for me on software to look into?

Besides mobius and live, so many VSTs, AUs, and programs are ancient and no longer being supported.

Torben Scharling

Torben Scharling

Josh Elliott