Re: Who's on the forefront of loopmuse?

[Peter Ensign <peterensign@att.net>]

Kim Flint wrote:
> 
> At 03:50 PM 2/3/98 -0500, John Price wrote:
> >Gosh darn it! Im feelin awful chatty today.
> >
> >The forefront of Looping today is on what most here would undoubtedly
> consider the lowbrow side of all things loop that is if you are prone to
> categorizing things.
> >
> >IMHO - It's the dance floor dude that is still driving things loopey for
> the majority of the world - Musicians and audiences included.
> 
> I tend to agree with this, although it's not always so lowbrow as you 
>might
> think. A lot of that is a bit of a pose, and often times the people 
>behind
> it are very sophisticated musicians. The possibilities for innovation and
> creativity are huge, and a lot of talented people have moved in that
> direction to take advantage of it. Andre did a nice job of commenting on
> that, no need for me to add anything there.
> 
> The dance/electronic/hip-hop/etc. scene is definitely where I see all the
> innovation in looping as a method, as a process, as a tool, as a type of
> music. I see people there constantly pushing to evolve things and do
> something different, move it to the next level. The musicians, the 
>audience,
> the dj's, and the press all seem to support and encourage that, it's
> ingrained in the scene in an interesting and healthy way. Loop concepts 
>grow
> by leaps and bounds there.
> 
> Another spot of innovation would be the solo instrumentalists, 
>integrating
> loops into compositions and performances in interesting new ways, 
>expanding
> their reach. I think you see that here in the many people looping with
> fingerstyle guitar, or cello, or voice. Probably there are innovative 
>things
> happening in the academic/high-brow world, but I just don't follow that
> enough to know.
> 
> Where I don't see much innovation with looping is in the droney guitar 
>loop
> scene, the stuff often associated with Fripp. The music may continue to 
>be
> vital and interesting, but the use of loops is pretty stagnant and
> complacent. Sorry, but I just don't see anyone pushing the looping 
>process
> anywhere in that scene. (although it's possible that I just go so bored 
>with
> it I stopped paying attention.)
> 
> For me as a developer of loop devices, it is definitely the dance 
>producers
> who are driving things. They are the ones forcing the innovation in tools
> and driving us with a constant flow of ideas. Trying to understand, meet,
> and anticipate their needs so that a looping device might be an effective
> instrument in that world is a very tough challenge! And the possibilities
> are so huge and fresh, along with the sheer volume of creativity, that 
>the
> challenge is really quite exciting and fun. You really get the feeling 
>that
> when a new feature is introduced, someone will jump on it and do 
>something
> remarkable.
> 
> With the droney guitar loop crowd, most of the push is to get one box 
>that
> does all the things that different boxes available 10-20 years ago did. 
>And
> that's certainly reasonable, but it's not exactly breaking new ground. 
>You
> give them something new and they barely notice, maybe getting around to 
>it
> after a few years. (and in 15 years they will just be demanding that 
>feature
> in any new device!)
> 
> anyway, that's my take.
> 
> kim
> 
> >Obvious and overexposed Loop Leaders: Beck, Square Pusher, DJ's Spookey 
>&
> Shadow (Spelling??) Photek, Puff Daddy ( He aint original and he sure 
>don't
> drone. But his loops are in the hands and ears of eager children all 
>across
> the world while their $ is secure in his bank account) and The Orb on the
> Higher end of low end.
> >
> >Frankly, I can't nor would I ever dare say that any artist is better 
>than
> the other. Its always like a pissing contest. And I cant stand it when
> people turn music appreciation into a sport and forum for their own 
>biases
> and need to be acknowledged. Just a premonition of how people will 
>respond
> to DK's question.
> >
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From:  David Kirkdorffer [SMTP:DKirkdorffer@exapps.com]
> >Sent:  Tuesday, February 03, 1998 1:02 PM
> >To:    Loopers-Delight@annihilist.com
> >Subject:       Who's on the forefront of loopmuse?
> >
> >I'll try this again, just to see if this gets picked up.
> >
> >*So, just for giggles, what / who is on the forefront of "looping-based
> >music"?*
> >I know this is somewhat an impossible question, but, maybe it's worth
> >bashing around for a while.
> >
> >David Kirkdorffer
> >
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