Re: Looping because you suck?

[Goddess <thefates@earthlink.net>]

  lol!   Maybe looping just MAKES people suck!   lollollol!  

Smiles,

Cara

At 07:13 PM 6/27/03 -0400, you wrote:
>   
>"" then when he/ she uses looping devices, they will probably suck on many
>layers of sound simultaneously. And the sucking will become exponential.
> 
> 
> 
> Speaking personally, looping devices enable me express my sense of
>composition and style of performance in much greater depth than if I am
>limited to a single layer of sound.
> 
> I will say this, I tend now to practice less and play/ live compose more,
>but I think it's made me a much stronger musician overall.
> 
> 
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> on 6/27/03 10:49 AM, Greg House at ghunicycle@yahoo.com wrote:
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> 
>><> wrote:
>>>>> David Torn's looping CDs are good to me because he
>>>>> can actually play the guitar great and is not 
>>>>> using looping as a cover up for an inability to 
>>>>> play well (as is sometimes the case). 
>> 
>><>): 
>>>> Definitely in my case. Is that a problem?
>> 
>> Then Terry followed up with:
>> 
>>> No, Brian Eno created some wonderful music and he
>>> claimed to be a non- musician. I though the music he
>>> created was very musical.
>>> 
>>> I just like David Torn's CDs because he plays guitar
>>> really well. 
>> 
>> That's cool, thanks for the distinction. I was also thinking about that,
>>and came
>> to the conclusion that skill does not necessarily equal musicality. I
>>know people
>> who have very little musical skill, or even technical knowledge, who
produce
>> wonderful music. Now, the combination of a high degree of skill WITH
>>outstanding
>> musicality can produce some amazing results (as you note about David 
>Torn).
>> 
>> Now to turn the discussion a little bit, I've been thinking about this
>>concept
>> for a day or two now, the idea that we would use loopers to cover up the
>>fact
>> that we are poor instrumentalists. 
>> 
>> I'm wondering if that's really possible. When I loop, the results are
>>not any
>> better then when I play without looping. In fact, it can be worse if I'm
>>having a
>> bad day or something, simply because there are more layers of my suckage
>>to hear
>> at the same time. Looping has challenged me as a musician in a way that
>>solo and
>> ensemble playing haven't. For me, making good music while looping seems
more
>> difficult, in a way, since I need to be more careful.
>> 
>> ...but it's also easier and more enjoyable from another perspective,
>>since I tend
>> to respond to sounds and textures I'm hearing. When I play alone, I
>>don't hear
>> those, so my playing can often be stale. If I can create some 
>interesting
>> textures in the loops, which I can then respond to, the solo
>>improvisations are
>> more 
>> 
>> It's just the way the musical part of my mind works. I've never been
good at
>> remembering specific parts, playing the same thing consistantly every
>>time a song
>> is done. I tend to respond out of how I'm feeling at the moment, what
>>else I'm
>> hearing in the music, what color the lights are, and all that. I'm not a
>> playactor, where the performance is the same every night. This also
>>leaves me
>> subject to a lot of stuff I don't have much control over, and my 
>playing is
>> therefore very inconsistant. On a good day, I like what I do, on a bad
>>day...it's
>> indescribably hideous. I'm sure this all relates back to a lack of solid
>>musical
>> education, a lack of personal discipline in practice, an incoherency in
>>the way I
>> think, and probably many other personal flaws. However, for whatever
>>failings it
>> demonstrates in me, the fact remains that this -is- how I am presently.
>>Looping
>> helps inspire me in a positive way, that's why I do it.
>> 
>> Greg
>> 
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