Re: Looping because you suck?

["Steve Goodman" <spgoodman@earthlight.net>]

Hah, perhaps given the old image of the rock star persona, that's just
wishful thinking in the male contingient here! :)


>   lol!   Maybe looping just MAKES people suck!   lollollol!
>
> Smiles,
>
> Cara
>
> At 07:13 PM 6/27/03 -0400, you wrote:
> >
> >"" then when he/ she uses looping devices, they will probably suck on
many
> >layers of sound simultaneously. And the sucking will become exponential.
> >
> >
> >
> > Speaking personally, looping devices enable me express my sense of
> >composition and style of performance in much greater depth than if I am
> >limited to a single layer of sound.
> >
> > I will say this, I tend now to practice less and play/ live compose
more,
> >but I think it's made me a much stronger musician overall.
> >
> >
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> > on 6/27/03 10:49 AM, Greg House at ghunicycle@yahoo.com wrote:
> >
> >
> >><> wrote:
> >>>>> David Torn's looping CDs are good to me because he
> >>>>> can actually play the guitar great and is not
> >>>>> using looping as a cover up for an inability to
> >>>>> play well (as is sometimes the case).
> >>
> >><>):
> >>>> Definitely in my case. Is that a problem?
> >>
> >> Then Terry followed up with:
> >>
> >>> No, Brian Eno created some wonderful music and he
> >>> claimed to be a non- musician. I though the music he
> >>> created was very musical.
> >>>
> >>> I just like David Torn's CDs because he plays guitar
> >>> really well.
> >>
> >> That's cool, thanks for the distinction. I was also thinking about
that,
> >>and came
> >> to the conclusion that skill does not necessarily equal musicality. I
> >>know people
> >> who have very little musical skill, or even technical knowledge, who
> produce
> >> wonderful music. Now, the combination of a high degree of skill WITH
> >>outstanding
> >> musicality can produce some amazing results (as you note about David
Torn).
> >>
> >> Now to turn the discussion a little bit, I've been thinking about this
> >>concept
> >> for a day or two now, the idea that we would use loopers to cover up
the
> >>fact
> >> that we are poor instrumentalists.
> >>
> >> I'm wondering if that's really possible. When I loop, the results are
> >>not any
> >> better then when I play without looping. In fact, it can be worse if
I'm
> >>having a
> >> bad day or something, simply because there are more layers of my
suckage
> >>to hear
> >> at the same time. Looping has challenged me as a musician in a way 
>that
> >>solo and
> >> ensemble playing haven't. For me, making good music while looping 
>seems
> more
> >> difficult, in a way, since I need to be more careful.
> >>
> >> ...but it's also easier and more enjoyable from another perspective,
> >>since I tend
> >> to respond to sounds and textures I'm hearing. When I play alone, I
> >>don't hear
> >> those, so my playing can often be stale. If I can create some
interesting
> >> textures in the loops, which I can then respond to, the solo
> >>improvisations are
> >> more
> >>
> >> It's just the way the musical part of my mind works. I've never been
> good at
> >> remembering specific parts, playing the same thing consistantly every
> >>time a song
> >> is done. I tend to respond out of how I'm feeling at the moment, what
> >>else I'm
> >> hearing in the music, what color the lights are, and all that. I'm not
a
> >> playactor, where the performance is the same every night. This also
> >>leaves me
> >> subject to a lot of stuff I don't have much control over, and my
playing is
> >> therefore very inconsistant. On a good day, I like what I do, on a bad
> >>day...it's
> >> indescribably hideous. I'm sure this all relates back to a lack of
solid
> >>musical
> >> education, a lack of personal discipline in practice, an incoherency 
>in
> >>the way I
> >> think, and probably many other personal flaws. However, for whatever
> >>failings it
> >> demonstrates in me, the fact remains that this -is- how I am 
>presently.
> >>Looping
> >> helps inspire me in a positive way, that's why I do it.
> >>
> >> Greg
> >>
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