RE: RC-50 vs. Repeater?

["William Walker" <billwalker@baymoon.com>]

Ditto here, I ended up not using the RPTRs mute function because of these
very reasons, it seemed too much of a mind F#@*k.
Bill

-----Original Message-----
From: L.A. Angulo [mailto:labaloops@yahoo.com]
Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2006 10:59 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: RC-50 vs. Repeater?


I remeber doing the track muting dance as well and
loosing track as to what was muted and what wasnt with
the repeater,actually that is a killer feature which
updates i was waiting for, but as i did more song gigs
i simply started using the undo/redo feature to bring
part A and B and the other parts (if any) i would just
loop in real time,its amazing what u can do with such
a simple feature!for me too much technic detaches me
from the feeling and emotion of music
also having one single looper in my signal has made my
life a lot easier!
Luis




--- mark sottilaro <zerocrossing2001@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Wow, that seems like a complex setup!  What exactly
> are you trying to make it do?  I thought this thread
> was talking about doing simple "verse/chorus" type
> loop switching.
>
> --- Zoe Keating <cello@zoekeating.com> wrote:
>
> > For a while I had some patches programmed to do
> > that. For example,
> > Mute some/all tracks on RPTR1 and meanwhile start
> > recording on RPTR2.
> >
> > But in the heat of performance, it was too hard to
> > keep tabs which
> > tracks are muted or unmuted. Because...and this is
> > something I've
> > explained at great length to Elextrix...the
> Repeater
> > gives you no
> > visual feedback whatsoever as to what tracks are
> > muted!  In some
> > songs, I often do things exactly the same, but I
> > need to stay
> > flexible in case accidents happen (and some of my
> > favorite songs I
> > deliberately leave open to the element of chance).
> >
> > Also, at the end of a song I often get absorbed in
> > what I'm
> > performing (the ends of songs are always different
> > and I'm
> > concentrating on silly little things like musical
> > phrase...;-)...). I
> > quickly forget what is muted and what is not.
> > Meanwhile, I'll start
> > the next piece, and the old loop will be erased,
> but
> > the mute
> > settings are still from the previous song! The
> only
> > way to "reset" is
> > to turn the power off. Often I'll turn the power
> off
> > between songs
> > for this sole purpose, because I just can't
> remember
> > what I muted or
> > unmuted. Add to this the fact that sometimes a
> foot
> > press might not
> > have been "forceful" enough, and maybe I didn't
> > unmute? No way to
> > know...
> >
> > Try it, you'll soon see how complicated it can
> > become if you have
> > songs where you already mute and unmute tracks on
> a
> > regular basis.
> >
> > Then we get into the issue of space within each
> > patch on the
> > FCB1010.... The FCB1010 allows you to send 2 CC
> > messages and 5 PC
> > messages per patch. I have one CC spot  and 2 PC
> > spots controlling
> > RPTR1 and the same for RPTR2. So really I'm
> limited
> > to one 1 CC and 2
> > PCs message per Repeater per patch (the 5th slot
> > controls the drum
> > machine). Combo muting (ie 1&2 and 3&4) is
> > accessible only via CC, so
> > the other 2 tracks have to be muted with 2
> separate
> > PC messages.
> > That's 2 CCs + 4PCs to mute/unmute all the tracks
> on
> > the two
> > Repeaters. And then no room left for anything.
> It's
> > easier when there
> > are only a couple tracks running on each. But I
> eat
> > up tracks pretty
> > fast...!
> >
> > Instead, I started various combos of
> simultaneously
> > stopping RPTR1
> > and starting RPTR2. But I'm midi synced and the
> > Repeater "ramps up"
> > to the tempo when starting from a full stop.
> >
> > Sigh.
> >
> > So now I've resorted to this: combination of
> > stopping RPTR1 and a
> > volume pedal on RPTR2. I can start a Repeater with
> > the volume down so
> > it has time to ramp up to the clock, then I'll
> bring
> > up the volume at
> > the right moment. I've had a hard time operating 2
> > volume pedals and
> > the FCB1010, so I've arranged the songs to make
> use
> > of just one
> > Repeater coming in and out with my feet. And the
> > other Repeater I'll
> > start it before with my feet, let it ramp up, and
> > turn volume knob up
> > on the mixer in a "breath" when I 'm not playing
> the
> > cello...
> >
> >
> > On Jun 10, 2006, at 1:36 PM, mark sottilaro wrote:
> >
> > > I've never tried it, but I imagine that with the
> > > fcb1010 you could also do mute track shananagans
> > to
> > > achieve the same effect.
> > >
> > > --- Zoe Keating <cello@zoekeating.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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