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RE: Addressing a single Echoplex in a Stereo Setup

guys,shouldnt we be forwarding this mails to

--- Kim Flint <kflint@loopers-delight.com> wrote:

> At 07:46 AM 6/18/2006, Clint Goss wrote:
> >Thank you all for your input on this subject!
> you're welcome!
> >Claude's input using SysEx messages was a tad
> depressing ... The FCB1010 can't
> >pull this off and apparantly Plex's can hiccup
> acoustically during SysEx
> >processing (their admission/apology, in the
> manual).
> As we say in the manual, this is only true for long
> sysex command streams 
> sent to the Echoplex. For a simple sysex command
> (like one that edits a 
> single parameter as Claude was discussing) there is
> no audible effect.
> >There is a suggestion of using separate Source # or
> MIDI channels and sending
> >two messages. I wonder if synchronization (when
> working in stereo) would be
> >compromised.
> No, there won't be any problem. We designed the
> Echoplex to support this 
> type of use, and tested it to be sure it worked.
> >I sense that the Plex designers put a lot of effort
> into the stereo
> >synch issue ... brother synch and intelligent midi
> piping and all that.
> yes, that is true, we did!
> And part of the goal was to support exactly the
> flexibility you are looking 
> for - the ability to switch between addressing two
> loops as stereo pairs or 
> as independent loops, and deciding on the fly.
> >Simply
> >sending two MIDI messages might degrade that stereo
> synch in comparison with
> >brother sync.
> No, BrotherSync is always active whichever way you
> do this. The BrotherSync 
> connection between the two units will lock them
> together at the sample 
> level so they should stay in sync. It has nothing to
> do with midi channels, 
> and you should keep BrotherSync connected for any of
> the strategies you are 
> hearing about here.
> Controlling the stereo pair by sending a single
> command to both units on 
> the same channel, or controlling them by sending two
> midi commands on two 
> midi channels will work exactly the same. They will
> stay in sync the same way.
> >And then there's the issue that the FCB 1010 is not
> up to the task. Hmmm. Been
> >using it for a year to control two Plexes and a
> PCM81. Reprogrammed it several
> >times and used it live dozens of times over the
> last year.
> I hate to break the news to you guys yet again, but
> the FCB1010 is really 
> not that great of a midi controller. It enjoys the
> advantage of being 
> affordable, available, and a little better than
> other available pedals that 
> utterly suck. But in the larger view of all midi
> pedals ever made, it is in 
> the middle to slightly-above-average range.
> Definitely not at the top.
> >In a gig last night, I tried doing the 'punch the
> panel buttons' thing to 
> >split
> >the two channels so they played two different parts
> of an ostinato and then
> >reversing one of the channels. Cool acoustic
> effect, crappy psychological
> >effect. I can tap a footswitch without missing a
> beat, but going over to the
> >panel was disorienting and took me way out of the
> music for like 30 seconds.
> you might also try the suggested idea of just using
> the normal Echoplex 
> pedal in conjunction with your Behringer midi pedal.
> That is an easy/cheap 
> way to accomplish your goal of switching between
> stereo or independent 
> loops on the fly.
> > > PMC-10 for awhile, but, and maybe mine was
> weird- there was about a 
> > 100ms delay
> > > from when I pressed the pedal to when the EDP
> changed its state.
> >
> >Yikes! 1/10'th second? That is disqualifying.
> There are a lot of people using the PMC-10 with the
> echoplex and in other 
> situations, including me. It is a highly regarded
> pedal. As I noted, this 
> supposed delay is not the experience of the vast
> majority of pmc-10 users.
> The Digitech PMC-10 really is one of the best midi
> pedals ever. Sadly it 
> has been out of production a long time, is hard to
> find, and at this stage 
> in life may be getting a little shaky if not well
> taken care of. It is a 
> sad situation, but users don't demand good midi
> pedals so no manufacturer 
> puts effort into it.
> kim
> Kim Flint                     | Looper's Delight
> kflint@loopers-delight.com    |
> http://www.loopers-delight.com 

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