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Id like to jump on the groove of this thread now
brothers,i just had a gig with an amp named "Koch" all
i can tell you is that i am floored by the sound of
this beauties the do "cook" like their name!i borrowed
it from a guitarrist friend of my bass player,he has
the multitone 50 watt head combined with the TS212H
speaker cabinet i am telling  you this combination its
absolutely beautiful!it is compact(you also have the
combo option but is more of a back
breaker),powerful,looks good and the most versatile
amp i know out there with 3 channels plus great
reverb.It compresses beautiful and the dirty channels
are nothing but great you can get any sound from the
old cats weather is jazz or rock with this amp plus
the reverb has the authentic ennio marricone 60īs surf
sound.The minute i plugged in i heard the sounds ive
been trying to get from long time and now i realize it
was due to the amps ive used in the past,although i
have a good les paul,tele and strat.I am afraid for me
is going to get harder and harder to play with digital
simulators now,the dutch got it right check them out!
http://www.koch-amps.com/
Luis



    
    Well, yes I was being a bit sarcastic. Ibelieve
the JC120 came to promise 
fro two reasons, 
1. It has self contained stereo chorused that at least
gives itssterile 
sound a bit of dimension. 2. It is  very dependable
and loud, afavorite of 
cartage and rental services as back line for touring
bands. 
As one who has had to use provided back line amps, I
always hope that a      
fender twin is present and its tubes aren't so gassed
as to make itsound 
flabby. otherwise I would settle for a jazz chorus,
and I never had a 
problem with its clean sound, however, I can't believe
that after allthese 
years , Roland has never gotten the clue that the
distortion sound onthese 
things is basically useless, not to mention the reverb
is pretty tincan 
sounding as well. And this is a company that excels at
signalprocessors. Go 
figure. I had a mini brute, which I took to Berklee
years ago. Ii was anice 
warm clean sounding solid state amp, made even louder
by the EVMspeaker I 
managed to somehow cram in to its little cabinet.
Later I had a PearceG1 
amp, because it actually had a very usable overdrive
channel, soonafter I 
added a Pearce extension cabinet w/ slave power amp
for stereo ,andlater I 
switched to a Pearce preamp running through a boogie
power amp. Ifinally 
abandoned the rack mount amp dance about ten years ago
and went back totube 
combos for most of my live gigs, and a modeling amp
when doing thelooping 
thing. I know a lot of great music has been played on
these amps, and 
certainly if what you desire is uber clean, the JC120
has few modernpeers, 
but for me, clean tube sounds better than clean solid
state, and itfeels 
better, though the natural compression of a tube amp
can be mimickedwith a 
good compressor (my old Pearce amps had a built in
limiter similar tothe 
Gibson Lab series amps, which Dan Pearce helped
design). If you want 
something like a JC120, but without the back ache, You
might try tofind a 
used JC77, the discontinued baby brother to the JC120.
I found a linkon 
EBAY 
     
http://cgi.ebay.com/Roland-JC77-Jazz-Chorus-Guitar-Amp-with-Xtras_W0QQitemZ1
     
40000830625QQihZ004QQcategoryZ47094QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
     
I have developed a fondness for amps with a two ten
speakerconfiguration, 
I own a 70's vibrolux reverb, and 60's vox AC10 twin,
and as a gigging 
middle aged guy I appreciate the fact that I'm not
risking a herniaevery 
time I load my amp in my trunk. I also like the
tighter bass responsethe 
tens give, they just seem punchier to me.. 
Cheers 
Bill 
      
      
      
      
      
      
-----Original Message----- 
From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] 
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 8:13 PM 
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com      
Subject: Re: FOR SALE: Mesa Boogie Mark I Combo Amp 
      
      
Don't worry Mark, I won't sell both of my VF1's! :)  
They are amazing 
little boxes. 
      
Bill, what's wrong with the JC120?  I can't tell
whether you weremaking a 
fecicios comment about them or not. Forgive me if you
weren't. Someamazing 
jazz players, like Pat Martino and Mike Stearn, have
used those amps. 
Frankly, there really isn't such a thing as a "jazz
amp." Jazzers ofall 
calibers use what fits their taste...I've seen it all,
from solid state      
Polytones, Rolands, and Gibsons, to tube Fenders,
Boogies, and MusicMan. 
Some guitarists, like McLaughlin, have even bi-passed
amps altogetherat 
times, plugging directly into processors and then
directly into theboard. 
The breadth of taste is pretty amazing. 
      
...I do wish I had my old Polytone Teeny Brute
back...I was such anidiot 
for selling that years ago. 
      
Kris 
      
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "William Walker" <billwalker@baymoon.com>      
To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>      
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 5:00 PM 
Subject: RE: FOR SALE: Mesa Boogie Mark I Combo Amp 
      
      
      Well Mark I'd be curious as to how youdidthe
JC120 thingy on the tonelab 
(and why???? in gods name) and  Actually like most of
the stomp box 
effects 
on the tonelab allot except, the overdrive and
distortion models on the        
front end; a klon clone, even more exaggerated mid
range honk than the 
original, a tube screamer model , that just doesn't
rattle my cage, anda 
rat model, zzzzzzzz, among others, though the octavia
octave, and ring 
modulator effects are quite nice. My solution was,
until a week ago, to        
pirate my fulltone fulldrive from my gig rig pedal
board, and stick itin 
the tonelabs effects loop (which is at the front of
the chain). Welllast 
week I got my new twin tube pedal from Seymour Duncan,
and I am justdumb 
struck at how good this thing sounds driving the front
end of thetonelab. 
Since it uses two subminiature tubes running at high
plate voltage, it 
adds 
tremendous dynamics and dimension not to mention two
channels ofanything 
from clean boost with a hint of extra fatness, to very
saturated, yet 
smooth 
and singing overdrive, all with great touch
sensitivity. I justsubmitted 
a 
review to Harmony Central, in which I shamelessly
gushed about how goodit 
sounds. Since I like many of the delay and modulation
presets on thetone 
lab, and I'm not a big flange or chorus guy,  I was
just searching fora 
more natural sounding overdrive to compliment the
tweed, black face,early 
marshall, and vox models I tend to use, and boy does
this puppy fit the        
bill. 
Bill 
        
-----Original Message----- 
From: mark sottilaro
[mailto:zerocrossing2001@yahoo.com]        
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 10:11 AM 
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com        
Subject: RE: FOR SALE: Mesa Boogie Mark I Combo Amp 
        
        
--- William Walker <billwalker@baymoon.com>wrote: 
        
        Mark has a point, 
                
I thought you couldn't notice it with my hair style! 
        
        
        Do take 
note that the vox people did not see fit to model a 
transistor amp, not jazz 
chorus model ala line 6. So if that is your mind set 
maybe the vox ain't for 
you. 
                
Wait!  There's MORE!  I did find a way to get a good 
JC120 sound out of the Tonelab!  I forget how now... 
I'll check tonight and let you know.  I know the key 
was leaving out either the amp modeling stage or cab 
modeling stage.  Also, I found I got better results 
when I use the VF-1's stereo chorus (which I know Kris

has a couple of) 
        
I have to say that as much as I like some of the 
stompbox models of the Tonelab, when I'm in the studio

I ditch them in favor of the VF-1's which I feel are 
really great (and MIDI syncable which the tonelab 
sadly isn't)  Don't sell them Kris, you'll be sad. 
Also I found they're one of the best processor out 
there for putting distortion on keyboard sounds 
(though not for guitar) 
        
Mark 
        
Mark 
        
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