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amp talk
Id like to jump on the groove of this thread now
brothers,i just had a gig with an amp named "Koch" all
i can tell you is that i am floored by the sound of
this beauties the do "cook" like their name!i borrowed
it from a guitarrist friend of my bass player,he has
the multitone 50 watt head combined with the TS212H
speaker cabinet i am telling you this combination its
absolutely beautiful!it is compact(you also have the
combo option but is more of a back
breaker),powerful,looks good and the most versatile
amp i know out there with 3 channels plus great
reverb.It compresses beautiful and the dirty channels
are nothing but great you can get any sound from the
old cats weather is jazz or rock with this amp plus
the reverb has the authentic ennio marricone 60īs surf
sound.The minute i plugged in i heard the sounds ive
been trying to get from long time and now i realize it
was due to the amps ive used in the past,although i
have a good les paul,tele and strat.I am afraid for me
is going to get harder and harder to play with digital
simulators now,the dutch got it right check them out!
http://www.koch-amps.com/
Luis
Well, yes I was being a bit sarcastic. Ibelieve
the JC120 came to promise
fro two reasons,
1. It has self contained stereo chorused that at least
gives itssterile
sound a bit of dimension. 2. It is very dependable
and loud, afavorite of
cartage and rental services as back line for touring
bands.
As one who has had to use provided back line amps, I
always hope that a
fender twin is present and its tubes aren't so gassed
as to make itsound
flabby. otherwise I would settle for a jazz chorus,
and I never had a
problem with its clean sound, however, I can't believe
that after allthese
years , Roland has never gotten the clue that the
distortion sound onthese
things is basically useless, not to mention the reverb
is pretty tincan
sounding as well. And this is a company that excels at
signalprocessors. Go
figure. I had a mini brute, which I took to Berklee
years ago. Ii was anice
warm clean sounding solid state amp, made even louder
by the EVMspeaker I
managed to somehow cram in to its little cabinet.
Later I had a PearceG1
amp, because it actually had a very usable overdrive
channel, soonafter I
added a Pearce extension cabinet w/ slave power amp
for stereo ,andlater I
switched to a Pearce preamp running through a boogie
power amp. Ifinally
abandoned the rack mount amp dance about ten years ago
and went back totube
combos for most of my live gigs, and a modeling amp
when doing thelooping
thing. I know a lot of great music has been played on
these amps, and
certainly if what you desire is uber clean, the JC120
has few modernpeers,
but for me, clean tube sounds better than clean solid
state, and itfeels
better, though the natural compression of a tube amp
can be mimickedwith a
good compressor (my old Pearce amps had a built in
limiter similar tothe
Gibson Lab series amps, which Dan Pearce helped
design). If you want
something like a JC120, but without the back ache, You
might try tofind a
used JC77, the discontinued baby brother to the JC120.
I found a linkon
EBAY
http://cgi.ebay.com/Roland-JC77-Jazz-Chorus-Guitar-Amp-with-Xtras_W0QQitemZ1
40000830625QQihZ004QQcategoryZ47094QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
I have developed a fondness for amps with a two ten
speakerconfiguration,
I own a 70's vibrolux reverb, and 60's vox AC10 twin,
and as a gigging
middle aged guy I appreciate the fact that I'm not
risking a herniaevery
time I load my amp in my trunk. I also like the
tighter bass responsethe
tens give, they just seem punchier to me..
Cheers
Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net]
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 8:13 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: FOR SALE: Mesa Boogie Mark I Combo Amp
Don't worry Mark, I won't sell both of my VF1's! :)
They are amazing
little boxes.
Bill, what's wrong with the JC120? I can't tell
whether you weremaking a
fecicios comment about them or not. Forgive me if you
weren't. Someamazing
jazz players, like Pat Martino and Mike Stearn, have
used those amps.
Frankly, there really isn't such a thing as a "jazz
amp." Jazzers ofall
calibers use what fits their taste...I've seen it all,
from solid state
Polytones, Rolands, and Gibsons, to tube Fenders,
Boogies, and MusicMan.
Some guitarists, like McLaughlin, have even bi-passed
amps altogetherat
times, plugging directly into processors and then
directly into theboard.
The breadth of taste is pretty amazing.
...I do wish I had my old Polytone Teeny Brute
back...I was such anidiot
for selling that years ago.
Kris
----- Original Message -----
From: "William Walker" <billwalker@baymoon.com>
To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 5:00 PM
Subject: RE: FOR SALE: Mesa Boogie Mark I Combo Amp
Well Mark I'd be curious as to how youdidthe
JC120 thingy on the tonelab
(and why???? in gods name) and Actually like most of
the stomp box
effects
on the tonelab allot except, the overdrive and
distortion models on the
front end; a klon clone, even more exaggerated mid
range honk than the
original, a tube screamer model , that just doesn't
rattle my cage, anda
rat model, zzzzzzzz, among others, though the octavia
octave, and ring
modulator effects are quite nice. My solution was,
until a week ago, to
pirate my fulltone fulldrive from my gig rig pedal
board, and stick itin
the tonelabs effects loop (which is at the front of
the chain). Welllast
week I got my new twin tube pedal from Seymour Duncan,
and I am justdumb
struck at how good this thing sounds driving the front
end of thetonelab.
Since it uses two subminiature tubes running at high
plate voltage, it
adds
tremendous dynamics and dimension not to mention two
channels ofanything
from clean boost with a hint of extra fatness, to very
saturated, yet
smooth
and singing overdrive, all with great touch
sensitivity. I justsubmitted
a
review to Harmony Central, in which I shamelessly
gushed about how goodit
sounds. Since I like many of the delay and modulation
presets on thetone
lab, and I'm not a big flange or chorus guy, I was
just searching fora
more natural sounding overdrive to compliment the
tweed, black face,early
marshall, and vox models I tend to use, and boy does
this puppy fit the
bill.
Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: mark sottilaro
[mailto:zerocrossing2001@yahoo.com]
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 10:11 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: RE: FOR SALE: Mesa Boogie Mark I Combo Amp
--- William Walker <billwalker@baymoon.com>wrote:
Mark has a point,
I thought you couldn't notice it with my hair style!
Do take
note that the vox people did not see fit to model a
transistor amp, not jazz
chorus model ala line 6. So if that is your mind set
maybe the vox ain't for
you.
Wait! There's MORE! I did find a way to get a good
JC120 sound out of the Tonelab! I forget how now...
I'll check tonight and let you know. I know the key
was leaving out either the amp modeling stage or cab
modeling stage. Also, I found I got better results
when I use the VF-1's stereo chorus (which I know Kris
has a couple of)
I have to say that as much as I like some of the
stompbox models of the Tonelab, when I'm in the studio
I ditch them in favor of the VF-1's which I feel are
really great (and MIDI syncable which the tonelab
sadly isn't) Don't sell them Kris, you'll be sad.
Also I found they're one of the best processor out
there for putting distortion on keyboard sounds
(though not for guitar)
Mark
Mark
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