Kim monitors but doesn't manage this forum--and I am sure you can order the upgrade direct from http://www.aurisis.com/ Loop IV was a definite step forward-- Gary -----Original Message----- From: raul bonell [mailto:RAULBONELL@telefonica.net] Anyway, is Ausiris still selling this upgrade directly from his webpage or it's a phantom page nowadays? Looks like the last web update was made in 2002? Is Kim managing this forum yet?