AW: looking for looper that syncs to real drums

["Jens Wolters" <jenswolters@gebaeude7.de>]

Hello,

thanks alot. I am still wondering why the RC-50 sounds that bad. I just
tried the pitch changing on my RC-20 which sounds OK. But with the RC-20 I
just can change the pitch after I saved the patch. So this doesn't make
sense.

I don't have the budget for the EDP or Repeater right now. So I might take
another look at the Moebius EDP Clone which is software based.

Per. I don't get your concept actually. I am mainly working with short
loops. As I wrote most of the time our drummer is tight. I just have to
adjust the tempo a bit. 

Another option for me would to get a MIDI clock from the drummer. But still
the loopers pitch shift function should be sounding OK.

Hase anbody tried the pitch shifting within Moebius ?

Greetings Jens


-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Per Boysen [mailto:perboysen@gmail.com] 
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 24. Mai 2007 23:13
An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Betreff: Re: looking for looper that syncs to real drums

On 24 maj 2007, at 22.40, Jens Wolters wrote:

> But here comes the big problem. Even when changing from let’s say  
> 120 to 119 bpm the loop sounds terrible. It is not a little quality  
> loss but it’s really not acceptable.
>
> I now that pitch shifting in real time can be done with a decent  
> quality. At least if it’s just a little bit slower or faster.

Hi Jens,

I have always been satisfied with using my EDP when playing in an  
ensemble where I am the one that has to adapt to a changing tempo. I  
set "More Loops = 1" and then I record a new loop every time I need  
to adjust the tempo. The longer loops I create the more accurate they  
sync up with the band. This is a different concept than trying to  
change the playback speed while keeping the same loop all the time. I  
stick to my method because I think it sounds better in a musical  
sense. Only two pedal kicks needed: (1) setting the start point and  
(2) setting the loop point. It's also a lot more fun because it lets  
you play more with whatever instrument you use for the source audio  
to be looped.

The Repeater has good sound quality even when loops are being time- 
stretched. However, when I had a repeater I never used its built-in  
tap tempo function because I could nail the tempo much quicker and  
more accurate with the EDP trick described above. But as I had the  
Repeater sync slaving after the EDP they both adapted well to the  
live band. IMHO it's an impossible project to use tap tempo because  
the "tempo catch up" process will always lag behind the music.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
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