Re: OT: RME Firewire 800 and Guitar Amp Sim - Preamps

["Krispen Hartung" <khartung@cableone.net>]

> Please don't take it as self promotion but I would like Kris to listen 
>to 
> "Su Me" or "with Mr. Lawson" and tell me if he finds a sterile and 
>crappy 
> tone in the guitars there.
> http://myspace.com/lucaformentini

Nice clips! Some good effects and textures going on here.

"With Mr. Lawson" - guitar direct to FF400 to effects

Comments: I think the guitar sounds very good, given what you are doing 
with 
the piece, and
how you are complimenting what Lawson is doing. However, I could not play 
a 
gig with
that tone. It is far too thin and transparent. I'd venture to say that the 
original tone doesn't
have enough color (tambre) for my taste, but I can't differentiate it from 
the effected mix,
unfortunately. Again, I like what you have done here, so please don't take 
my comments
the wrong way; it's just not a desireable tone for the music I play and 
tone 
I want from my
guitar as sound source. So, bravo on the clip.

"Sue Me" - guitar to Mesa Boogie Studio Preamp to audio card. No effects

Comments:  Who is playing what? :) Is this all guitar, or is there bass in 
there?
I can't comment on the guitar part with the sustainer, because it is 
distorted, and
I don't play with much distortion. But the tone is decent, as I would 
expect 
from
the Boogie. In fact, I'm quite certain if you altered the settings on the 
Boogie, that
 you could get a good clean jazz tone that I like. But, again, this test 
isn't applicable
to my original objection of direct guitar tone. I'd consider using the 
Boogie Formula
pre-amp (what Bill Walker is using) now if it weren't a full rack space. 
The clean
guitar in the background (or is that a bass playing high) is good for this 
song too, but
too thin for my taste. Again, not about you, but my own taste.

Hey, let's just clear things up. Someone send me a clip of a solid body 
electric guitar running
directly into a mixer board or audio interface, just reveb, and going into 
a 
recorder, that is
even in the ballpark (approxmiation) of the guitar in these clips, and 
I'll 
perk up.

This is Lorne Lofkey, one of my favortie guitar players on the planet. He 
plays a solid body Ibenez guitar.

http://www.lornelofsky.com/audio/allthings.mp3 (All the Things You Are)
http://www.lornelofsky.com/audio/witchcraft.mp3 (Witchcraft)

Fuckin' beautiful! I love Lorne. What a freakin' monster. BTW, I've spoken 
to Lorne, and he's using
a SS amps on these...those old Yamaho Solid State amps...G series or 
somethig like that.

Here is another example:

http://www.artofliferecords.com/tedgreene.html (Ted Green, solid body 
guitar)

Cheers,

Kris



> I am sorry I can't put any tracks of the new album ( which is scheduled 
> for release Oct. the 2nd) on line because there there is going to be a 
> very wide assortment of different sounds made with the same system.
> As I said in my first post, maybe I am crazy, but I am in love with the 
> sound I can get going direct to audio card or with a preamp between the 
> audio card and the guitar ( and no speaker emulators at all).
>
> Anyway, to everyone its own, and to everyone the chance to set his own 
> limits.
>
> my best,
> luca
> www.unguitar.com
>
> Krispen Hartung wrote:
>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "andy butler" 
><akbutler@tiscali.co.uk>
>>
>>>
>>> A third option would be to use a dedicated instrument DI input.
>>>
>>> A mixer line level input isn't designed to have a guitar plugged 
>>> straight into it,
>>> even if there's enough gain the tone is affected by the impedance 
>>> mismatch.
>>>
>>> andy butler
>>
>>
>> But what will be the real audible result to the output? Better 
>frequency 
>> range?
>> Less noise? Better dynamic range? More clarity? Essentially, enhancing 
>> the tone that I don't
>> like to begin with. :)  Now if that little DI is adding a nice Fender 
>> Tweed or Boogie tube tone, with
>> some subtle breakup, a variable response to how hard I pick, etc. then 
>> now we're talking....more like fantasizing.
>>
>> Kris
>>
>>
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