Re: OT: RME Firewire 800 and Guitar Amp Sim - Preamps

["Krispen Hartung" <khartung@cableone.net>]

Now, here is my tone example (not a song, just me looping the A section of 
"Black Orpheus"and soloing over the top):

- Guitar running directly into my ThinkPad T60p sound card (just the stock 
soundcard and ASIO for All driver), no preamp
- Sound card into Max/MSP patch
- MAX/MSP patch with only the free Boogex amp VST and my max reverb patch 
(no other effects or patches)

And to add some comedy to the clip, I recorded this with my mini guitar, a 
1/2 size Epi "Roadie" solid body electric, with a '57 reissue humbucker 
(from my ES-335), shown here: http://www.krispenhartung.com/gear/epi.jpg

Here is the clip, complete with clams and blemishes: 
http://www.box.net/shared/static/8ougz31hkk.mp3

Now, I actually think this tone is halfway decent, given the clean and 
warm 
jazz tone I after, and given that I'm not even using a real amp, just a 
VST, 
and using no preamp or "botique" external audio interface.  My next test 
will be when I get my Fireface 400.  If I see a major improvement, I may 
be 
good to go. We'll see.

Bottom line, for guys wanting to get a traditional jazz tone, I think 
there 
is hope for doing that withh the laptop and decent audio intereface....and 
a 
mini solid body electric to boot!  :) Imagine that. I could do a standards 
jazz gig with a mini guitar...seems ridiculous, but doable. I might get a 
lot of laughs.

Kris



----- Original Message ----- 


>> Please don't take it as self promotion but I would like Kris to listen 
>to 
>> "Su Me" or "with Mr. Lawson" and tell me if he finds a sterile and 
>crappy 
>> tone in the guitars there.
>> http://myspace.com/lucaformentini
>
> Nice clips! Some good effects and textures going on here.
>
> "With Mr. Lawson" - guitar direct to FF400 to effects
>
> Comments: I think the guitar sounds very good, given what you are doing 
> with the piece, and
> how you are complimenting what Lawson is doing. However, I could not 
>play 
> a gig with
> that tone. It is far too thin and transparent. I'd venture to say that 
>the 
> original tone doesn't
> have enough color (tambre) for my taste, but I can't differentiate it 
>from 
> the effected mix,
> unfortunately. Again, I like what you have done here, so please don't 
>take 
> my comments
> the wrong way; it's just not a desireable tone for the music I play and 
> tone I want from my
> guitar as sound source. So, bravo on the clip.
>
> "Sue Me" - guitar to Mesa Boogie Studio Preamp to audio card. No effects
>
> Comments:  Who is playing what? :) Is this all guitar, or is there bass 
>in 
> there?
> I can't comment on the guitar part with the sustainer, because it is 
> distorted, and
> I don't play with much distortion. But the tone is decent, as I would 
> expect from
> the Boogie. In fact, I'm quite certain if you altered the settings on 
>the 
> Boogie, that
> you could get a good clean jazz tone that I like. But, again, this test 
> isn't applicable
> to my original objection of direct guitar tone. I'd consider using the 
> Boogie Formula
> pre-amp (what Bill Walker is using) now if it weren't a full rack space. 
> The clean
> guitar in the background (or is that a bass playing high) is good for 
>this 
> song too, but
> too thin for my taste. Again, not about you, but my own taste.
>
> Hey, let's just clear things up. Someone send me a clip of a solid body 
> electric guitar running
> directly into a mixer board or audio interface, just reveb, and going 
>into 
> a recorder, that is
> even in the ballpark (approxmiation) of the guitar in these clips, and 
> I'll perk up.
>
> This is Lorne Lofkey, one of my favortie guitar players on the planet. 
>He 
> plays a solid body Ibenez guitar.
>
> http://www.lornelofsky.com/audio/allthings.mp3 (All the Things You Are)
> http://www.lornelofsky.com/audio/witchcraft.mp3 (Witchcraft)
>
> Fuckin' beautiful! I love Lorne. What a freakin' monster. BTW, I've 
>spoken 
> to Lorne, and he's using
> a SS amps on these...those old Yamaho Solid State amps...G series or 
> somethig like that.
>
> Here is another example:
>
> http://www.artofliferecords.com/tedgreene.html (Ted Green, solid body 
> guitar)
>
> Cheers,
>
> Kris
>
>
>
>> I am sorry I can't put any tracks of the new album ( which is scheduled 
>> for release Oct. the 2nd) on line because there there is going to be a 
>> very wide assortment of different sounds made with the same system.
>> As I said in my first post, maybe I am crazy, but I am in love with the 
>> sound I can get going direct to audio card or with a preamp between the 
>> audio card and the guitar ( and no speaker emulators at all).
>>
>> Anyway, to everyone its own, and to everyone the chance to set his own 
>> limits.
>>
>> my best,
>> luca
>> www.unguitar.com
>>
>> Krispen Hartung wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "andy butler" 
>>> <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> A third option would be to use a dedicated instrument DI input.
>>>>
>>>> A mixer line level input isn't designed to have a guitar plugged 
>>>> straight into it,
>>>> even if there's enough gain the tone is affected by the impedance 
>>>> mismatch.
>>>>
>>>> andy butler
>>>
>>>
>>> But what will be the real audible result to the output? Better 
>frequency 
>>> range?
>>> Less noise? Better dynamic range? More clarity? Essentially, enhancing 
>>> the tone that I don't
>>> like to begin with. :)  Now if that little DI is adding a nice Fender 
>>> Tweed or Boogie tube tone, with
>>> some subtle breakup, a variable response to how hard I pick, etc. then 
>>> now we're talking....more like fantasizing.
>>>
>>> Kris
>>>
>>>
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