Hi Rainer > Of course, the best way is to have both, like in my big hardware setup > (http://moinlabs.de/images/MS02.jpg) or in my laptop-based setup, where > effects can be placed both after and before the looper. thanks for your detailed feedback. Btw, is this a Marleaux bass? looks nice :-) Buzap -- Der GMX SmartSurfer hilft bis zu 70% Ihrer Onlinekosten zu sparen! Ideal für Modem und ISDN: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/smartsurfer