Re: My Revised MAX/MSP Looping/Effects Rig

["Krispen Hartung" <khartung@cableone.net>]

Right now, I have feedback set to 100%. However, I have the random looping 
setup so that it doesn't create really long loops, so I don't get into any 
annoying repetition.  You make a good point, though. I think I might try 
doing is setting the feedback so that the loops decay rather quickly, but 
change my random functionality so that loop last longer.  That would be 
interesting.  Thanks for bringing this up. I've been wanting to do away 
with 
infinite feedback looping for some time, based on a comment that Matthias 
Grob made last year.

...back to work.
Kris



----- Original Message ----- 
> Kris,
> enjoyed listening to it.
> ....Playing with your laptop driving you on unknown paths sounds really 
> experimental and i think you're having a lot of fun playing with it
> A question: how does it work on your set-up the "feedback" control for 
> thelooped stuff ? Does it change everytime you trigger the looping 
> function ?
> Nice, really nice.
>
> Fabio
> www.eterogeneo.com
> www.myspace.com/eterogeneo
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> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Krispen Hartung" <khartung@cableone.net>
> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
> Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2008 11:14 PM
> Subject: Re: My Revised MAX/MSP Looping/Effects Rig
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>> This is a clip of just some of my stream of consciousness playing 
>today, 
>> which demonstrates the new random functionality of my max/msp system. 
>> Basically, there are three things going on here, aside from my playing 
>> and not touching any pedal or the computer the whole time. The three 
>> highest notes of my guitar trigger random looping (on/off), random 
>> effects (on/off), and random parameter changes of the random effects 
>> (on/off). Most of the time I am intentionally playing one of those 
>three 
>> high notes to trigger the functionality, after which I let the 
>randomness 
>> take over. Other times, if I play a harmonic that is of one of those 
>high 
>> notes, it triggers the functionality without my permission, which is 
>sort 
>> of cool as well.  Having to manually trigger the functionality gets 
>sort 
>> of old after a while, plus you have to hear those same three annoying 
>> high notes. So, I will just randomize the guitar frequency selection of 
>> those three functions. Or, I just may as well make those three 
>functions 
>> randomly turn on and off, regardless of guitar note choice. The output 
>> probably won't be much different.
>>
>> All in all, it is a lot of fun to play with the system. I'm never quite 
>> certain what my computer is going to throw at me that I will have to 
>> react to.  In one passage, it randomly selected a filter effect, and it 
>> was very intense. I had to react by playing softly.
>>
>> There are all sorts of possibilities exploring here.
>>
>> http://www.box.net/shared/fx3p5m74kg (download/play)
>> http://www.box.net/shared/static/fx3p5m74kg.mp3 (direct mp3)
>>
>> Kris
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>>>> Well, I finally did it.  In my quest to selfishly spend more time 
>with 
>>>> my instrument (guitar), more time actually playing, and less time 
>>>> fiddling with and staring at the damn computer while playing (which 
>>>> looks absolutely ridiculous in my opinion), I figured out how to have 
>>>> my cake and eat it too. I just finished my revised max/msp 
>>>> looping/effects system. I was very inspired by the Boise Experimental 
>>>> Music Festival, after playing a set before Jeff Kaiser and Andrew 
>Pask 
>>>> (of Cycling 74) the first night, and a workshop that Jeff did on the 
>>>> many approaches to using the computer for live performance.  Andrew 
>is 
>>>> actually using a totally random based max/msp system so he just plays 
>>>> his sax and let's the computer do everything for him.
>>>>
>>>> Long story short, my rig is totally automated now, using a series of 
>>>> random algorithms to control both my max/msp Kaiser Looper and 
>>>> functions (everything from my scripts to basic functions like reverse 
>>>> halfspeed, doublespeed, random speed, random buffer, random pan, 
>etc), 
>>>> and all my max/msp effect patches and parameters (including Reaktor 
>as 
>>>> a VST), I now turn my computer on and play. No MIDI footpedals. No 
>>>> expression pedals. I just plug into my Fireface 400, activate my 
>>>> system, and let the wonderful world of randomness take over. So 
>>>> liberating! I don't even need to have my computer screen open.  It's 
>>>> like playing with another person whose job is to process my sound 
>(like 
>>>> what Evan Parker has done with others), because I have no idea what 
>>>> sort of looping, effects, or parameters changes are going to occur. 
>I'm 
>>>> really liking this.  The interesting thing is that I wasn't satisfied 
>>>> with the standard random object in max/msp, so I found and used some 
>>>> max/msp abstractions written by Karlheinz Essl, which simulate 
>Brownian 
>>>> movement in micro-biological systems. Very fascinating. And of 
>course, 
>>>> I can deactivate the random function at anytime, so that while I'm 
>>>> playing, if I hear the computer do something really interesting that 
>I 
>>>> like with the looper or effects, I turn the random functions off, and 
>>>> it will sort of freeze in the last state or frame of looping and 
>effect 
>>>> parameters.
>>>>
>>>> More later...gotta pack for vacation now.
>>>>
>>>> Kris
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