Re: My Revised MAX/MSP Looping/Effects Rig

["Krispen Hartung" <khartung@cableone.net>]

---- Original Message ----- 



> Right now, I have feedback set to 100%. However, I have the random 
>looping 
> setup so that it doesn't create really long loops, so I don't get into 
>any 
> annoying repetition.

I didn't say that right.  Long doesn't equal annoying repetition. For some 
reason, I just set it up so that the loops are shorter, but I plan to 
change 
that today.  The nice thing is that if I like a particular loop, I just 
play 
a note to freeze the looper.

K

You make a good point, though. I think I might try
> doing is setting the feedback so that the loops decay rather quickly, 
>but 
> change my random functionality so that loop last longer.  That would be 
> interesting.  Thanks for bringing this up. I've been wanting to do away 
> with infinite feedback looping for some time, based on a comment that 
> Matthias Grob made last year.
>
> ...back to work.
> Kris
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> Kris,
>> enjoyed listening to it.
>> ....Playing with your laptop driving you on unknown paths sounds really 
>> experimental and i think you're having a lot of fun playing with it
>> A question: how does it work on your set-up the "feedback" control for 
>> thelooped stuff ? Does it change everytime you trigger the looping 
>> function ?
>> Nice, really nice.
>>
>> Fabio
>> www.eterogeneo.com
>> www.myspace.com/eterogeneo
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Krispen Hartung" <khartung@cableone.net>
>> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2008 11:14 PM
>> Subject: Re: My Revised MAX/MSP Looping/Effects Rig
>>
>>
>>> This is a clip of just some of my stream of consciousness playing 
>today, 
>>> which demonstrates the new random functionality of my max/msp system. 
>>> Basically, there are three things going on here, aside from my playing 
>>> and not touching any pedal or the computer the whole time. The three 
>>> highest notes of my guitar trigger random looping (on/off), random 
>>> effects (on/off), and random parameter changes of the random effects 
>>> (on/off). Most of the time I am intentionally playing one of those 
>three 
>>> high notes to trigger the functionality, after which I let the 
>>> randomness take over. Other times, if I play a harmonic that is of one 
>>> of those high notes, it triggers the functionality without my 
>>> permission, which is sort of cool as well.  Having to manually trigger 
>>> the functionality gets sort of old after a while, plus you have to 
>hear 
>>> those same three annoying high notes. So, I will just randomize the 
>>> guitar frequency selection of those three functions. Or, I just may as 
>>> well make those three functions randomly turn on and off, regardless 
>of 
>>> guitar note choice. The output probably won't be much different.
>>>
>>> All in all, it is a lot of fun to play with the system. I'm never 
>quite 
>>> certain what my computer is going to throw at me that I will have to 
>>> react to.  In one passage, it randomly selected a filter effect, and 
>it 
>>> was very intense. I had to react by playing softly.
>>>
>>> There are all sorts of possibilities exploring here.
>>>
>>> http://www.box.net/shared/fx3p5m74kg (download/play)
>>> http://www.box.net/shared/static/fx3p5m74kg.mp3 (direct mp3)
>>>
>>> Kris
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>> Well, I finally did it.  In my quest to selfishly spend more time 
>with 
>>>>> my instrument (guitar), more time actually playing, and less time 
>>>>> fiddling with and staring at the damn computer while playing (which 
>>>>> looks absolutely ridiculous in my opinion), I figured out how to 
>have 
>>>>> my cake and eat it too. I just finished my revised max/msp 
>>>>> looping/effects system. I was very inspired by the Boise 
>Experimental 
>>>>> Music Festival, after playing a set before Jeff Kaiser and Andrew 
>Pask 
>>>>> (of Cycling 74) the first night, and a workshop that Jeff did on the 
>>>>> many approaches to using the computer for live performance.  Andrew 
>is 
>>>>> actually using a totally random based max/msp system so he just 
>plays 
>>>>> his sax and let's the computer do everything for him.
>>>>>
>>>>> Long story short, my rig is totally automated now, using a series of 
>>>>> random algorithms to control both my max/msp Kaiser Looper and 
>>>>> functions (everything from my scripts to basic functions like 
>reverse 
>>>>> halfspeed, doublespeed, random speed, random buffer, random pan, 
>etc), 
>>>>> and all my max/msp effect patches and parameters (including Reaktor 
>as 
>>>>> a VST), I now turn my computer on and play. No MIDI footpedals. No 
>>>>> expression pedals. I just plug into my Fireface 400, activate my 
>>>>> system, and let the wonderful world of randomness take over. So 
>>>>> liberating! I don't even need to have my computer screen open.  It's 
>>>>> like playing with another person whose job is to process my sound 
>>>>> (like what Evan Parker has done with others), because I have no idea 
>>>>> what sort of looping, effects, or parameters changes are going to 
>>>>> occur. I'm really liking this.  The interesting thing is that I 
>wasn't 
>>>>> satisfied with the standard random object in max/msp, so I found and 
>>>>> used some max/msp abstractions written by Karlheinz Essl, which 
>>>>> simulate Brownian movement in micro-biological systems. Very 
>>>>> fascinating. And of course, I can deactivate the random function at 
>>>>> anytime, so that while I'm playing, if I hear the computer do 
>>>>> something really interesting that I like with the looper or effects, 
>I 
>>>>> turn the random functions off, and it will sort of freeze in the 
>last 
>>>>> state or frame of looping and effect parameters.
>>>>>
>>>>> More later...gotta pack for vacation now.
>>>>>
>>>>> Kris
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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