Re: MASTER LIST of Least Costly Live Looping Solutions

[andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk>]

L.Angulo wrote:
> sooooo here is another contender with dual switches:
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>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RCKLh09zVI&feature=PlayList&p=BF6F02B1D094378C&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=3
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> www.myspace.com/luisangulocom

Nooooo....not another guitarist demoing an echo   :-)

Probably too expensive at £310,
but looks interesting so downloaded the manual.


1) Manual won't download from site with I.E. , used Firefox... must be mac 
boys then :-)

2) From the manual "For the Looper, feedback is meaningless and so Fdbk A 
is used as a Decay Rate control for dubbing. "
   ...heart sinks to hear such talk, there's even an used knob available 
which could be used for FB
   

3) short looptime, but extendible at lower quality 

"Speed/Varispeed: When the Loop is Empty, the Speed control lets you 
select the record speed. The choices are: [SPD:2X] – Double speed. At this 
record speed, the maximum loop length is 6 seconds. [SPD:1X] – Normal 
speed. At this record speed, the maximum loop length is 12 seconds. 
[SPD:1/2] – Half speed. At this record speed, the maximum loop length is 
24 seconds. [SPD:1/4] – Quarter speed. At this record speed, the maximum 
loop length is 48 seconds. "

4) this is more like it

"After a loop is recorded, Varispeed controls the speed of Loop playback 
over a three octave range from two octaves down (25%) to one octave up 
(200%). Play Speed resolution is dependent on the setting of the Depth 
control"


5) Actually, the looper has 3 buttons, so easy to use. 
OD can be set to TOG or SUS, and if you'd rather you can set it to replace 
rather than OD.

6) Seems to have a re-trigger button.


The looper function in this unit reminds of the DL4,
except you don't get a delay as a bonus while you're looping.
I'd guess they looked at the DL4 when designing it.

As single loop looper with varispeed and replace it looks very useable,
and it appears to be midi controllable.
..but at the price it's not exactly a bargain as a looper.

In one of the vids, someone appears to be post processing the loop with 
the delays, couldn't
find that in the manual.

andy butler


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> --- On Tue, 3/17/09, Kevin Cheli-Colando <billowhead@gmail.com> wrote:
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>> From: Kevin Cheli-Colando <billowhead@gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: MASTER LIST of Least Costly Live Looping Solutions
>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>> Date: Tuesday, March 17, 2009, 9:05 PM
>> The SOS of the DD20 is really a bare bones looper.  You
>> press the
>> pedal to record your first loop, press it again to close it
>> and start
>> it repeating.  Press the pedal again and you record as long
>> as you
>> hold it down.  No feedback control or undo so its really a
>> one way
>> kind of thing-forward to more.  I think the delay modes are
>> probably
>> more suited to looping though they have been a bit tricky
>> for me to
>> get comfortable with.  The simultaneous delays are pretty
>> great in
>> that you can record a phrase with say 90% feedback and move
>> to the
>> next delay bank.  The original loop will repeat and slowly
>> decay
>> untouched by what you're now playing as that is being
>> captured in the
>> second delay bank.  If you move forward once more though it
>> terminates
>> the first delay so you kind of need to time your feedback
>> so you can
>> move on without abruptly cutting off the delay (unless
>> that's what you
>> want).  Of course once you advance to the next delay bank
>> you're stuck
>> with whatever settings you had before you moved on,
>> there's no going
>> backwards to change the settings.   You can also use the
>> on/off pedal
>> to open and close a loop with the feedback set to 100% and
>> mimic the
>> SOS only with the option of bending down and adjusting the
>> feedback to
>> let the loop decay.
>>
>> You can also mess with the loop length by tapping a new
>> tempo once
>> you've got something going and that can get kind of
>> interesting.
>>
>> I don't use it as much as I probably should but it has
>> a lot of
>> potential.  For simple looping I really prefer the DL4 but
>> I can see
>> how if you learned the DD20 first if could really be
>> one's primary
>> looper.
>>
>> Kevin
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 1:39 AM, andy butler
>> <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>>> hi Kevin,
>>> yep, I'm a Rolandophobe ;-)
>>>
>>> ...but now I remember Ted Killians killer dd20 moves.
>>>
>>> Only £110 + £psu inUK.
>>>
>>> At $219 + $psu in the US
>>>
>>> From what I heard on this list, the SOS mode
>> wasn't up to much,
>>> but the manual *suggests* it's possible to
>>>
>>> 1) tap in a loop
>>> 2) overdub
>>> 3) quickly erase loop and start another
>>>
>>> So in theory, it's a good alternative.
>>>
>>> Is there some hidden drawback to the SOS?
>>> (i kind of remember there was, and that LDers prized
>>  it for allowing 2
>>> simultaneous delays)
>>>
>>>
>>> andy
>>>
>>> Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote:
>>>> You're missing the Boss DD20 which is also
>> more delay than looper but
>>>> has sound on sound and 23 seconds of delay with
>> feedback control.
>>>> $219 in the US.
>>>>
>>>> Kevin
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 3:33 PM, Rick Walker
>> <looppool@cruzio.com> wrote:
>>>>> Okay, we are nearing a good list, here.
>>>>> It would be great if someone would complete
>> this list with prices
>>>>> from both Southern and Northern Europe (I say
>> this because prices
>>>>> obviously
>>>>> very greatly from the US to the UK alone)
>>>>>
>>>>> I purposefully didn't included pedals that
>> are no longer in production
>>>>> (but we could with their salient going
>> prices-anyone feel like doing that
>>>>> research?)
>>>>> but I did include used laptop, reel to reel
>> and cassette solutions.
>>>>> What are we missing anything?
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body
>> and to have a
>> form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause
>> of all trouble.
>>
>> - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950)
>>
>> Sound and Vision:  http://www.minds-eye.org NEW SITE
>> 3/01/09
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