> so, how about 'single > purpose stand alone loopers' vs 'multipurpose computers running looping > software'? lol... That's better :) Perhaps simplify it to hardware loopers vs laptop? In the end, I think Bill and Michael have been counting laptops, so that was my starting point. -- Sjaak Overgaauw http://premonitionfactory.com/ http://livelooping.be/ http://euroloopfest.com/