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Re: The Fuck Face MEETS -"Dragging Instruments Around" meets "laptop live"...

  Wow Jimmy!, thanks a bunch for the way cool review!  -lol!   -told ya we
needed more sex on this list!...   lol!  
  I'll need to keep this short (A Quickie, as it were) lol!  -for the
moment, since I'm in the midst of being swamped with a very important
recording project, but will write more soon this week.  Talk with y'all
soon, K?   

Be Loopful and MULTIPLY!,


At 10:29 PM 3/20/03 -0700, you wrote:
>sweet diatribe jessie. sorry for the late response folks! been bombarded
>i am a fan first. a fan in the gut/ear before i ever 'saw' a  show before.
>my 1st was who's next, boston #1, elo's double live. at 9 i was hooked 
>they were these big black round disks that rolled out of this designed
>sleeve that was usually pretty sweet... those were the daze...
>then i went and 'saw' blue oyster cult live.
>i require as a fan to be effected. as a listener as a watcher. i also
>require some kind of innovation. when i saw the alan parsons tour a few
>years back i left at half time. it was identical to the record they broke
>rules 20 years before. i was disappointed.
>i had the awesome privilege of seeing the fine cara Q last saturday at the
>sweet rockin coffee house here in denver. what a great show. i was 
>beyond my normal, "well that's neat" just to watch her perform let alone
>hear her. ive been around the block a few times at 36 and have never heard
>some of the sounds that she commandeered. somewhat like what André 
>posted from his new disk. cq takes it somewhere new for me. it left me
>wanting more (need to get a cd from you grrrl!)
>cq played for 30 minutes with a solid and diverse set. because of her 
>limitations she does not move much. she does not need to though, she is 
>talented and sexy and interesting none the less. what a crazy style!
>dangerous music!! YES!
>the fuck face to me simply represents honesty as a player. if you and i 
>having sex at some point i want to see/feel/smell you sweat no matter how
>proficient you might be as a technical lover. same goes with music. break 
>sweat, break a string break a rule or two while your at it. i believe in
>educating the audience. i cant please them all nor do i want to. people 
>quick to judge what is new even if they strive to want something 
>new has to make its way in until it is a bit more familiar for most music
>lovers. they usually do come around though.
>the essence of looping is not unlike life to me. it is the same thing over
>and over and up to me to make it interesting, challenging and innovative 
>fun or not. i do do this for a living and have for 12 some years steady 
>even though i cant please them all i still want most of them!
>jimmy george
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Jesse Ray Lucas <jlucas@neoprimitive.net>
>To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
>Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 1:38 AM
>Subject: "Dragging Instruments Around" meets "laptop live"...
>>     So, here's an idea, folks: Hook up your laptop screen to a projector
>> project what you are seeing -- or, at the very least, get some kind of
>> visualizer program and project the output of that on a big screen behind
>> you.  If you intend to connect with the widest possible audience, you 
>> include some kind of visual element in your performance.  Tim Reynolds
>> projects slides behind himself when he plays.
>>     And stand up.  How much energy can you be putting into your
>> if you're sitting down?  I know I would rather sit down and play all the
>> time, and I probably play better sitting down (because I always practice
>> sitting down), but you will get over more often if you stand up.  Ah, 
>> harsh realities of presenting to the public.
>>     It seems to me that most people who aren't musicians don't actually
>> *listen* to music.  They *watch* music.  If music is on at home or in 
>> car, they are usually not aware of anything other than the words.  If 
>> music is such that it asserts itself into the forefront of the
>> demanding attention, (e.g. Meshuggah, Squarepusher, or basically 
>> with above-average musical density in any respect [harmonically,
>> rhythmically, melodically]) the average joe or joan will feel uneasy
>> (translates into "dislike").  The negative effects of higher-than-normal
>> compositional density seem to be circumventable by adding plenty of 
>> (e.g. Frank Zappa), or at the very least lots of very easily
>> lyrics presented in familiar melodic patterns (e.g. Dave Matthews).  
>> general, the whole idea of music without words doesn't make sense to the
>> vast majority of people who grow up on MTV and commercial radio.
>>     I see this all the time when I play an opening instrumental set 
>with a
>> jazz quartet, then a singer joins us for the second set.  All of a 
>> people look up and start to pay attention because there is someone 
>> words.  The minute she sits down and we play an instrumental, eyes are
>> to the beer glasses and soup bowls and the talking resumes.  And it's 
>> because the singers I play with are really great and we suck.  No words 
>> music.  It's just the way some [the majority?] people are.
>>     I guess it comes down to giving people something that they can 
>> to.  People can relate to someone singing, because everyone has tried it
>> some point.  People can relate to someone who looks like they're working
>> really hard (the "fuck face" as Jimmy George put it -- hahahahah), 
>> most people have worked hard at something before.  Most people can't
>> to John Coltrane's playing on Interstellar Space, because it doesn't
>> obviously relate to tonal music, which is the extent of most people's
>> experience of music.  Most people can't relate to a guy standing there
>> a laptop "making" music, because, if anything, maybe they've picked up a
>> guitar, or banged on a drum one or twice in their lives, so this is how
>> understand music is made (hence the benefit of dragging around and 
>> bunch of instruments).  Only someone who knows something about what is
>> involved in the creation of music on a computer will be interested in
>> happening.  But, as we only see the plastic shell of the laptop and not
>> screen there's not really much point to getting really interested, 
>> you will never get the pay off.
>>     But, it all depends on who your target audience is.  Music geeks 
>> higher tolerance for musical density, and lack of "show."  Just like
>> authors, when reading, have a higher tolerance for literary references 
>> focus on character development, rather than plot development and action.
>> -J
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Mark Sottilaro" <sine@zerocrossing.net>
>> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2003 9:47 PM
>> Subject: Re: Dragging Instruments Around
>> > Another aspect of the Laptop is the performance issue.  BORING.  I 
>> > went to a big new music fest and my wife and I walked out when a guy
>> > sat down with a laptop and began to produce what seemed like slightly
>> > edgy techno.  (IDM).  We looked at each other and said, "Would it
>> > matter if that was all coming from the CD player in is Laptop?"  The
>> > answer was: NO.
>> >
>> > Look at Hans.  That wall of gear is part of the show. So fun to watch
>> > him tame COLUSSUS: THE FORBIN PROJECT.   Coupled with a sequence of
>> > wardrobe changes that would make Cher jealous, you've got one hell of 
>> > show... even if all his gear fails!  (Sorry to rub it in Hans, I love
>> > you and your music!)
>> >
>> > However, I feel that often I'm not that far away from the laptop guy.
>> > At the ascension show we were in the dark in a corner.  I'm positive
>> > that most people weren't aware the music was live.  Didn't really
>> > matter on some level.  A lot of people were there and seemed to be
>> > having fun.  We were the "ambient" reception music, so that's OK.  
>> > What if I had recorded a really killer set in Digital Performer the
>> > night before, burned it to discs and showed up with a DJ setup. One of
>> > those Pioneer CD players an iBook and a mixer.  Would there have been
>> > any difference?  I'm not sure I think so.  Should I become a DJ of my
>> > own music?  I think people are doing this.  Anyone here doing this?
>> > Could be a good way to go for this type of event.  (where dancing and
>> > socializing are the focus)  When it's more of a show (like Loopstock)
>> > then you go for performance mode.  What do people think?
>> >
>> > I saw Bjork live where she had someone who looked like he was
>> > "performing" ProTools while she sung.  OK, there was a string 
>> > too.  Anyway, it worked for me.
>> >
>> > Mark Sottilaro
>> >
>> > On Sunday, March 16, 2003, at 01:41 AM, Rick Walker/Loop.pooL wrote:
>> > >
>> > > I'm still not completely sold on buying a laptop.
>> > >
>> >


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