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Re: Here's a scary example of what I've received

"Lance Chance" <lrc8918@louisiana.edu> put forth:

> I really don't think that you should be acting quite as innocent and
> bewildered as you are considering the quantity of vitriol that you poured
> out in your original post.   I think that another fuse was lit when you
> spoke of manipulating your classroom discussions.   smack hard and you 
> smacked back, ipso facto.

This is the nature of Das Infobahn, as well as remote communications in
general.  Carnegie-Mellon U did a study on this in the mid-80s, and found
that people without a doubt were "brutally honest" most of the time, when
they weren't facing the person they were addressing.  This was assumed in
their study not to be a result of an absence of the fear of verbal
retribution most folks are introduced to early on in life, but rather a
result of the absence of constraint of any kind.  It will no doubt be
debated in this regard for some time.  I feel it's a little of both.  Some
of us are motivated by fear, some of us are not.  Some are restrained in
their responses to anyone while others are completely transparent and
uncontrolled in their expressions of opinion.

I think the increased communication short of libel, slander, and personal,
viable threats is a good thing.

> but one thing that really struck me about this thread is a quality of the
> "looping community" that I have noticed before.   Those musicians looping
> generally fall either to the far left or right.   I guess the
> psychedelic trip offered by loop gear draws the hippies and heads and the
> personal control of all that sound draws nazi right wingers who are sick
> having to deal with "stoned slacker" musician types.   The loopers that I
> know locally certainly fall either pretty far left or right.

I've been thought to be leftist and (lately) right-wing by some on this 
alone.  I'm more non-aligned libertarian-based in actuality.  I don't think
black-white classifications fit, especially in a creative group of people,
most of which tend to realize the value of the nth degrees of grey areas of
thinking on occasion, as opposed to just reacting to things.

> Another
> observation that may or may not be true is that it seems more loopers are
> conservatively bent than any other single group of musicians outside of
> competition, classical set.

Um, I think a lot of folks here would have violent difference with that.  
already have...!

Steve Goodman
EarthLight Productions
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> I am settling into my liberal ways, after having been somewhat
> in my younger days.   But after having to deal with one particular "nazi"
> for years, I have to say there is room for argument on both sides of this
> pot issue.  Plenty of time is slacked away being stoned at practice, but 
> stickectomy is sorely needed by some asses, and their music perhaps
> this.

> lance
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <Paulzric@aol.com>
> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
> Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 1:59 PM
> Subject: Here's a scary example of what I've received
> > you are an asshole. you could have made your point and then
> > kept your mouth shut. but here you are going on again,
> > condemning people, souring the list and making yourself
> > look stupid. "If you use drugs, you have been
> > seduced and have bartered your soul and are possessed by a
> > very invidious demon who will scorn at any effort or entity
> > that invites release." what the hell is this????? do you
> > not realize that drug users are normal society today? there
> > are plenty of very successful people who actually use all
> > sorts of drugs. i don't think hard drugs should be used
> > recreationally, but you don't hear me making an ass of
> > myself on loopers-delight. but seriously, there are TONS of
> > successful pot smokers. laziness can hit anybody-- drug
> > user or not. you mentioned "manipulating a conversation" to
> > find out who supports drug use. gee, you are so amazing.
> > how about "hey class, what do you think about drugs and
> > legalization??" why not try that kind of manipulation. and
> > by the way, you could get a class going probably about lots
> > of other interests as well if you wanted to. so what if
> > kids like to do drugs. and maybe those kids, overall,
> > aren't so involved in school. so what. and then you close
> > your email with a SMILEY FACE??? after basically condemning
> > half the list???? gee, i hope i have your for a teacher
> > some day.
> >
> > p.s. i'm not a drug user
> >
> > - dylan
> >