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RE: Maybe why Avante-garde looping in US...
Awesome post, Rick. It's nice to have such a cogent summary of the Indian
system - I'm moving this one into the "Keepers" folder.
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> Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 7:40 PM
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> Subject: Re: Maybe why Avante-garde looping in US...
> Kevin wrote:
> "You can actually get the hang of odd meter really fast if
> you don't count
> numbers but in syllables, which takes advantage of our speech
> centers. Just about all European odd meters can be broken
> down into groups of two and
> beats. For the two beats say "Taki" and for the three beats
> say "Gamela".
> for two seven beat patterns:
> Taki-Taki-Gamela, Taki-Taki-Gamela,...
> Gamela-Taki-Taki, Gamela-Taki-Taki,...
> personally, I think it is a good idea to keep the syllables
> more closely
> together (until you are working with
> the onomotopoetic syllables of specific drums in the Indian or other
> I honestly think having tried many different counting systems
> that you can
> trip your tongue up going
> from a T sound to a G sound at very high speed but it's all good.
> Amplifying on this concept a little:
> The Indians use these four subdivision:
> Ta-ki (pronounced Taw kih)
> 1 2
> Ta-ki-ta (pronounced Taw kih tuh) THREE
> 1 2 3
> Ta-ki-di-mi (pronounced Taw kih dee mee) FOUR
> 1 2 3 4
> Ta-ki-di-na-tom (pronounced Taw kih dee nah tom) FIVE
> 1 2 3 4 5
> Interestingly, they stop at the threshold that Western
> psychologists in the
> latter 20th century discovered.: the number 5 .
> From what I've heard, human beings can keep five things in
> their heads,
> concieved of as separate things but that the minute we get
> to larger numbers we are forced to begin grouping into
> smaller increments.
> The Indians have known this intrinsically for hundreds of years.
> The emphasis always being on the 'Ta' or first syllable
> In this way you can make a practise matrix of any time
> signature you want to
> take on and just sing the syllables
> for example:
> 2 + 2 + 3 or Ta ki Ta ki Ta ki tuh
> 2 + 3 + 2 Ta ki Ta ki ta Ta ki
> 3 + 2 + 2 Ta ki ta Ta ki Ta ki
> 7/8 = 3 + 4 Ta ki ta Ta ki di mi
> 4 + 3 Ta ki di mi Ta ki ta
> 5 + 2 Ta ki di na tom Ta ki
> 2 + 5 Ta ki Ta ki di na tom
> Sing these combinations over and over, making sure that ever
> syllable takes
> exactly the same amount of time.
> There are more sophisticated games to play with this material
> and you can
> syncopate or leave out notes internal to each
> phrasing but this will give you all the basic phrasing
> possilities of each
> odd time signature you want to play in.
> Warning: If you are playing, say the first excercise above
> as an ostinato
> that your whole band is playing..................
> it will really throw people if you use any of the other phrases
> simultaneously so you will need to check it out and
> also practise it with them if you plan on doing it live.
> One long band
> practise or two playing different time signatures against
> each other will usually do the trick to learn how to do this
> (but you have
> to have relatively sophisticated musicians with a good
> internal sense of time and also, more importantly, their
> willingness to go
> along with these games that sound like gibberish
> until you get to know them better.