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Re: On vs off topic -and- irritating people...
Hi Per, thanks for your reply. Yes, I'm familiar with filtering and
such, and am subscribed to several email lists that all go to appropriate
inboxes, or multiple lists to one, so I'm completely comfortable with
that, but the points I was trying to make, I think might have been lost...
Firstly, having all of the LD traffic, (whatever that may be) on one
'LD' list, promotes a smooth flow of ideas from extreme to extreme, which
is personally, what keeps me coming back here to this list. Without that,
honestly, the list would hold considerably less interest for me. :)
my own opinion, of course...
Secondly, if a second list is to exist, and be somehow affiliated with
LD, why should the moderation style HERE change? I know we've said that
the status quo is to be preserved here, but as long as 'OT' posts are
somewhere else, that's not really happening in practice is it?...
In other words, rather than simply letting this list adapt as it has
done before, to accommodate people, actual material that would have gone
THIS list is now, not. So, instead of simple changes to the existing
to adapt it, it's being completely diverted, in an 'all or nothing'
fashion. Does that make sense?... Furthermore, there is now more
bandwidth on a regular basis about what is on vs what is off
topic! lol! Isn't this exactly the sort of thing we were trying to
avoid?... lol! -And of course, my own posts here, not withstanding! :)
Now, having said all of this, as I understood what happened a few weeks
ago, people were simply not happy about a book discussion which they felt
interfered with the gear chat... So, a new list was started, where things
like book chats could happen. I.E. LDOT...
What I'm wondering is why the exclusive / heavily moderated gear chat
and more extreme on topic format nature couldn't be applied to THAT list
rather than this one?... Why do the book chats need to leave and the gear
chat stay?... Why can't the book chats stay, and the gear chat stay as
well?... :) -But, the extreme no-frills 'on topic' gear chat could move
to the new list...
Meanwhile, here on this list, we could simply continue as is, or was,
rather, :) and just be more aware and practice better netiquette and have
both book chats AND gear chats?... This doesn't, at the moment, seem to
what is happening. (even though we say it's supposed to) If I'm mistaken,
then so be it, but I don't think I am...
Lastly, as for my own personal thoughts on subbing to the new list,
(aside from my mention above, of the notion of too much
compartmentalization of the flow of ideas, causing interference in effect)
just in a general access sense, different lists cause my email client and
screen reader to ;display header info differently, so in effect, different
lists are easier and less time consuming for me to read. This is one of
the easy ones, whereas Google (while definitely not being the most
difficult) is not... So for me, joining a chat list in that format would
only be a nuisance. And, as I'd mentioned above, even if I did, the flow
that has happened HERE, because of both extremes being present, still
wouldn't exist. It's like separating a cake out into it's ingredients,
serving them. :) Sure, you'd still get what's in the cake, BUT IT'S NOT
CAKE!!! :) lol!
Am I making sense now?...
So, what I'm saying is that I think fragmenting like this is changing
the primary nature of the list. If that's what people want, then fine,
that's cool! :) It's just not MY personal preference... :)
-And, as long as there is some sort of venue which is sort of, but not
quite, affiliated with LD, where the book posts go, :) rather than going
here, this list is a different place... Does that make sense?...
Anyway, I hope I've clarified my points. Have a terrific day!...
At 09:16 AM 10/11/2007 +0200, you wrote:
>Just a reminder of what initially kicked off this discussion, since
>no one have so far mentioned that in this new thread. It was about
>making life a little easier for those who struggle with a digest
>version of the list. In the digest version many letters are baked
>into one super letter, which means the user can not use normal e-mail
>filtering. Especially problematic for digest reading is when someone
>quotes way too much and out of context.
>But people, please don't stop quoting now! Intelligent quoting makes
>reading a lot easier and is generally regarded as good mailing list
>manners. When replying, you should keep just as much of the old text
>needed for a new reader to get the background to your own reply. Drag
>with mouse button held down to mark text that you want to quote, hit
>Reply, type something and finally hit Send.
>Thank you, Travis, for posting the list rules to the list. It just
>dawned on me that I have never seen those on the list and that's bad.
>Most lists have an automatic function that posts the general list
>rules once a month to the list, just as a reminder.
>The "mysterious LDOT list" is not associated with this list in any
>way other than that it was crated as a private initiative by a member
>of this list and that some more members of this list is subscribing
>to it. I personally use it to post things like guitar amp reviews,
>funny stories or whatever not looping oriented. As for Cara's wish of
>having it all on this list I would like to suggest a way to make that
>happen in your own praxis; simply subscribe to the other list and set
>you mail application to dump those mails into the same box as the LD
>list. You don't even have to know to which list a single message
>belongs - hit reply and it goes back through the same "list channel"
>where it came in.
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