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RE: What is looping .... was _MUSIC - "D Torn Kaisers Aars E.T." tríbute to some heroes



I totally agree, of course, that sequenced loops, midi loops and similar is some sort of looping. However in this community there is an emphasize on "sound on sound" looping that is done by pressing start then stop to define a base loop and then overdub and manipulate... The octatrack does not work like that, yet. However this type of more "DJ" style workflow is a very cool thing as well, perhaps together with "traditional" looping. The thing that some times surprises me is the lack of interest for the sample looping that octa track can do. It's more like Abelton live than Mobius so to speak.. And i seldom see the software guys live sampling in Abelton (I assume that it is possible) there also seems to be very little use of sequencers and i don't really understand why...
Regarding "manual looping" i see it as striving for some of the same goals (minimalist style music) as SOME looping, perhaps it's better to refer to "manual looping" as minimalist music. What connects the LD community is use of soft or hardware for music creation in, more or less, real time. This music can, but does not HAVE to be, minimalistic.
If you listen to much of the Techno style music that most Elektron users seems to be into there is most definitively a live element. Even when the use drum machines and sequenced synths they quite often perform live sets where patterns are made and edit live.. so it is, for me live looping, but without looping live sounds. Instead the produce sounds and edit them as a part of the performance.

I think Kim Flint was interested in this Sequencer style looping and hoped to see it used with the more "traditional" looping and I'm kind of surprised that there is so little of it. Or do I miss something here... The sequencer based pattern music definitively owes a lot to minimalist music. They just choose to generate all sound from synthesizers and samples ,instead of looping guitars, keyboards or other traditional instruments  to some evolution of a tape loop, they work with sequencers. And again i find it strange that we don't see more loopers using sequencers. To me it seems like a very natural development. Working with insert on the EDP is a lot like using the sequencer on the octatrack, it's rhythmic sound manipulation in real time set within in some set "beat".. of sorts

Sorry for being long but i find this interesting..

Anders

From: gtmatthews@gmail.com
Subject: Re: MUSIC - "D Torn Kaisers Aars E.T." trÝbute to some heroes
Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 08:28:24 -0400
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com

Yeah there were some people I saw doing that when I was living in LA that would strum electric guitar over and over with and after a bit your ear would focus in on the changes of the harmonic content above the repetitive notes or creating patterns in your mind forming out of the non-machine like rhythms. I would go with minimalist since there isn't overdubbing.
On Aug 5, 2011, at 6:29 AM, Per Boysen wrote:


A related OT:
A sort of grey zone I've been thinking about a lot lately is when
loops are played manually. I mean, instead of recording a part into a
machine that plays it back you just keep on playing that musical part,
with your instrument, over and over, like a looper. While the point in
using a looping device is to give a repeating pattern a machine-like
exactness the point in manually playing the loop is the opposite, to
achieve an organic inexactness for a monotonic content. Isn't this
rather to be described "repetitious music" or "minimal music" than
"live looping"?

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
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www.perboysen.com
www.looproom.com internet music hub


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